From: "Geoff Kidd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Surely a "fair dinkum" discussion of all of the issues about Flarm
would benefit from Nigel and others being there to allow discussion of the
genuine technical issues.
If they are not there, any discussion is prone to be highjacked by
misinformation, myth and academic double negative navel gazing.
I hope & trust that this Flarm issue is not being "managed" by our
leaders, rather than having a genuine technically correct forum discussion
........ where that GFA Seminar would have been an ideal location to get
right into it and give every attendee a full understanding of the issues
....... if there was time of course. After all we are only dealing with a
way to reduce mid-airs, so perhaps several other matters are more
important.
Well, Geoff, this is part of what typing FLARM into the search box on the
GFA home page got me (in 2 seconds via Google):
...The following actions are in progress:
- The Operations Panel and Sports Committee are evaluating processes and
solutions.
- A trial of loaned FLARM equipment at the Multi-class Nationals at Gawler
is under negotiation by ASC.
- An Australian Avionics company is in negotiation with FLARM to locally
produce units.
- The GFA Board will consider the issue fully after input from the above
actions (no decision has been made yet)
Issues already identified are:
- Risk management
- Safety Case
- International standardisation
- Practicability
- Cost effectiveness
Any solution will only be a support to adequate Lookout. See: Safety
breifing
Any member wishing input to the process, please submit it to the Executive
Officer, as below.
John Welsh
Executive Officer
Gliding Federation of Australia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mob: 041 794 5981 (CDMA)
10 Merton Road,
Roleystone, WA 6111.
Now you have his name, address, phone number and email. He'll be giving up
his weekend to be at the seminar. Anything you'd like to say is probably
much better said to him directly than on this forum. Give him a call. Warn
him about the pitfalls of misinformation and myth and double negative
academic navel-gazing. He's fairly new. He probably doesn't realise how
some of his members get fixated on a pet hobby horse and try to hijack
discussions. :)
Seminar is defined in the Macquarie as a "meeting organised to discuss
a specific topic". Is part of that to be a discussion on Flarm ..... or
just some presentations that mention the subject?
Why not ask John? See what it says "...Any member wishing input to the
process, please submit it to the Executive Officer".
Graeme Cant
Geoff
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Hi Mike,
Nice that the GFA are having this meeting, I offered to come and present
FLARM and ADS-B from a manufacturers and a developers prospective but
they
didn't see it necessary. Strange seeing as I attend Airservices and CASA
meetings.
Nigel
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike
Cleaver
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:48 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] More information on Flarm
Geoff & others
Given that FLARM is a topic for the GFA Seminar with the AGM this
coming weekend, to be presented by the new Executive Officer John
Welsh (being a retired Air Traffic Controller he has some technical
knowledge of systems and separation as well as being a very
experienced glider pilot), but with Pete & Mandy giving a
presentation on their experiences in France as well there will be
some useful discussion.
However, if you want to buy one for yourself (provided a suitable
operating frequency is available) then just remember caveat emptor -
let the buyer beware - before a proper evaluation is
done. Personally, I would prefer to wait until the research has been
done, the training issues identified, and the equipment compatibility
with other technologies has been developed.
But I doubt that it will take very long.
Wombat
At 15:59 14/09/2005, you wrote:
>Have just read he "Report from Friedrichshafen" by Dave Nadler in
>the Sept issue of SSA Soaring.
>
>There he says that Flarm is a not-for-profit organisation. I was not
>aware of that.
>
>He also says that 450 Flarms were flying at end 2004 ...... with
>2600 shipped since then (I assume this is to Countries he lists below).
>
>Based on his advice that there are 1200 Gliders in Switzerland, 500
>in Austria and 7000 in Germany and if the above assumption is
>correct, that means they have a take-up rate that may be as high as
>35% in a comparatively short time.
>
>But WE need to evaluate whether this is worthwhile.
>
>I can understand that there is an issue re frequencies and Dave
>mentions that as an issue for the USA, as well as Product Liability
>Insurance for the US, ............ but does anyone really think that
>it needs a great deal of evaluation when the Europeans pilots and
>owners are voting with their wallets.
>
>But I guess that someone will still argue, as they did recently on
>this forum, that Flarm shouldn't be adopted here because they will
>promote poor lookout practice ... and double negatives.
>
>Save for the technical issues ............. LET'S GET ON WITH THEIR
>ADOPTION AND IMPLEMENTATION HERE, and try to save a life or 2.
>
>Is the GFA talking with the Insurers yet?
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