Patrick,

             Thankyou for your observations from the USA.

 

Participating in gliding the way we do it is Australia needs many resources including disposable income,

personal ability, and most of all time.  I believe it is spare time, or the lack of it that makes gliding hard to promote.

 

First of all people must have the time to travel to gliding fields the closest of which are about an hour away of centres

of population, many are a lot further.  We expect new participants to turn up early to assist getting the operation going,

and stay late and put it all to bed at night – this of course is how we teach them about inspections, ground handling and

other small cultural things that make a sound independent operator in the future.   

 

In the past we have relied on the lure of flight to attract people, and it still does, but we need more.  Potential new members

will be looking for nice facilities (club rooms) good clean accommodation, and somewhere they are proud to bring their friends

and colleagues.   Nice new aircraft are a nice to have – however well maintained and presented aircraft will do the job just as well.  

How people friendly are you launch points? Does you pie cart say to new people this tidy operation – these are all first impressions.

 

This costs money, but it is an investment.  Some quarters of the GFA talk about spending money promoting the sport, making videos

etc and I am not saying we should not undertake these activities, however I believe firstly we need to examine why we are loosing the

members do capture, otherwise promoting new membership it is like trying to fill a leaky tank before you have fixed the leak.

 

SDF

 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Barfield
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2005 2:48 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Commercial gliding operations / airsickness

 

I’m just catching up on a few older topics. I’ll attempt to answer a question:

 

SNIP -It’s all very well to want a commercial operation to fit in with the time pressures you have Mark, but how much would you be willing to pay for that convenience? - SNIP

 

I have flown at two commercial gliding operations in the USA. Years ago I flew at Caracole Soaring in California (http://www.caracolesoaring.com/) and I currently fly at Southwest Soaring in Caddo Mills Texas (http://www.southwestsoaring.com/). Both web sites list their rates and, as a note of comparison, there is a club slightly closer to me (http://www.texassoaring.org) so you can see how much extra people pay for the convenience.

 

You obviously pay more for aerotows and hourly charges than a club situation but that is offset by not having to pay an annual membership fee. The extra convenience is important to me since I have a 90 mile drive to Caddo Mills which would make for an extremely long day if I had to help get things ready in the morning and stay until the equipment was safely packed away at the end of the day. You book a time slot, turn up, the glider is ready to go, go flying and leave the glider for somebody to put away. You only pay for the launch and flying time so even if the weather is unsuitable for flying, you don’t have to pay anything. To be perfectly honest, I don’t see how Southwest Soaring makes a profit because their utilisation seems fairly low for the prices they charge and the money they have invested in their fleet.

 

As a convenient alternative, I think that microturbine powered trainers may revolutionise gliding training. If you had something like this Blanik (http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/dg1000t-e.html#Jet-Propulsion), you could book a training time despite lack of lift and not require many crew to look after the operation. I don’t know how much the modification and fuel costs would be, but I am interested in doing this when I return to Australia next year so I would appreciate any information that people can offer. As a suggestion to improve the fuel efficiency of the microturbine, has anybody developed a microturbofan that would be more efficient at lower speeds?

 

For the airsickness topic, since some people mentioned specific medications, I know some people that have taken a drug STUGERON for flying and boating and swear by them as they supposedly don’t make you drowsy. I believe that they aren’t available in Australia but there are over the counter medications in the UK. I am not a medical expert so if any pharmacists or doctors know more about this drug and any possible dangers for flying, please enlighten us.

 

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to everybody on the list,

 

Patrick Barfield

 

 


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