From: "Geoff Kidd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

    Good stuff.

Can you add the % increase/decrease, for each country, in your spreadsheet, based on the comparison of the 93 - 04 figures .......... to see what the various trends are?

I guess he can - but to what purpose?

I really don't care whether gliding in Australia is growing, shrinking or tying itself in knots. I would like MY OWN CLUB to continue in existence and it seems to be doing that very nicely, with relatively stable numbers - perhaps slightly increasing. I've introduced a few friends to gliding and every now and then other members do and the club chugs along nicely.

I don't care if gliding becomes more popular. It appears it was much more popular in the late 70s but since it has shrunk from then, that popularity clearly didn't translate into a better gliding experience for many of the members - because they left.

It seems to me that if we all try to make sure that our own club stays a happy, solvent organisation which provides as far as possible an affordable and enjoyable gliding life for those who wish to be part of it, then that is the best we can do. Growth will then take care of itself. By which I mean - it will happen if that is what makes people enjoy gliding more. And if not, it won't.

The only thing I can do about the state of world gliding is to help keep my own club viable. That's all you can do too. The rest is gum-beating.

Graeme Cant


Geoff


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Peter Creswick
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World gliding numbers


Juggled those numbers a bit in Excel, and resorted into order of number of people in population per glider pilot.
  Results are interesting.
The ANOMALY, is the USA, but remember that in USA glider pilots are mostly power pilots first, with glider ratings, whereas in most other countries, glider pilots are basically a separate pilot community.


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Christopher Mc Donnell
    To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
    Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:40 PM
    Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World gliding numbers


The number of glider pilots in the US would seem to be roughly the same proportion to the total population as it is in Australia and decreasing at the same rate.

    Similarities of cause perhaps?

    Chris McDonnell
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Geoff Kidd
      To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
      Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:14 AM
      Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World gliding numbers


      SWK

      Thanks for those figures ........ and also to PB

While the figures for OZ are 1993 3510 & 2004 2637 ........... a decrease here of about 25% (or 882 pilots in gross terms) when calculated on the same basis.

      Regards GWK


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA)
        To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
        Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:06 AM
        Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] World gliding numbers


        Ta for that Patrick.
I was pretty sure John had done a report for later years (and still continues) but I couldn't find it before.

        To correct the numbers in my previous email :

The US numbers have been substantially reduced from the original 2003 estimates, however, these (more justifiable?) numbers still show:
        1993  23557
        2004  20980
        A decrease of about 11% (or 2577 pilots in gross terms).

So compared to John's first estimate, there appear to be less glider pilots in the US to start with and a bigger loss of pilots (both gross numbers and %wise) over the sample period than was originally thought.

        Regards
        SWK







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Barfield
          Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 11:10 PM
          To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
          Subject: [Aus-soaring] World gliding numbers


For a more recent report (to 2004) with revised US numbers see http://www.fai.org/gliding/membership



          Cheers,



          Patrick Barfield





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          http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/Data/world-membership.pdf


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