Mark,
 
    There you are .. at it again .. manufacturing arguments & misquotes.
 
    You said " I know that you dearly want them to be equivalent, and that you keep saying that if the ATSB can publish them there's no reason why the GFA can't, but as long as you ignore that point you'll continue to stimulate conflict."
 
    I have NEVER said that "if the ATSB can publish them there's no reason why the GFA can't". But I have certainly said that "If RAA & the HGFA can publish them, then why can't the GFA"
 
    I might add that the RAA membership and participation rate is going gang busters ..... so a roughly equivalent organization like the GFA might just consider taking a look at why that might be so.
 
    Go read the RAA Mag etc and look at the great communication from their XO, President, Tech Manager etc etc etc. Each publish about a 2 column page of communication with their members in each Magazine .......... and just example Chris's offer in a recent post.
 
    Now what can you twist out of the above? Can't wait to see what I didn't say this time.
 
Merry Christmas
 
Geoff

  
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

Geoff Kidd wrote:

> I went back and re-read Peter's note about what was said at Caboolture
> and I still don't pick up the "someone HAS sued us" message.

Peter said:

# We were told that there are legal proceedings going on at present between
# gliding accident victims/estates.

I don't know how else you could read that.

There have been earlier instances too -- Like the coroners inquest in
South Australia where the coroner attempted to proffer the view that
winch launching should only be carried out with cables which don't have
any joins in them, and that if the cable breaks it should be completely
replaced before operations continue.

That's the thing you're not quite getting here, Geoff:  The difference
between an ATSB report and a GFA report is that the ATSB report can be
presented in court as prima-facie evidence of what happened.  The GFA
report can't.  I know that you dearly want them to be equivalent, and that
you keep saying that if the ATSB can publish them there's no reason why
the GFA can't, but as long as you ignore that point you'll continue to
stimulate conflict.

> Can anyone please clarify what Mark is saying ..... has the GFA had
> legal action taken against it BECAUSE OF ANY ACCIDENT OR INCIDENT REPORT
> THAT IT HAS PUBLISHED TO ITS MEMBERS?

That's not clarifying what I've said, that's answering a yes or no
question which you've contrived.

> Will also take this up with one of our members who is a Barrister and
> also an aircraft owner.

Interesting -- I'd have thought that since we've been talking about this
off and on for over a year on this list, you might have done that already.


   - mark

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