Hi all
To put it in very simple terms a wiki is an online encyclopedia where you
(The user)and any other users can add or edit pages at will.
This has caused many problems on the main wikpedia site due to
slanderous/libellous entries and edits.
The threaded forum is a very good idea, far superior to a mailing list such
as this. A threaded forum is a website allows an initail post to the forum
and then replies appear under that particular thread(Or subject) below the
first entry, enabling one to only follow threads that interest you. Usually
if you find an interesting thread you can have the forum automatically mail
you if a comment is added to that thread. When you first visit a forum a
list of topics shows and then once you select a topic all Threads on that
subject are listed.
David Lawley
Computer Manager
Elizabeth Park PS Elizabeth East PS
Pennington PS
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan
Armistead
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 4:03 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Anyone interested in creating a gliding Wiki ?
Yep - with all due respect to "No 1 Son", computer people always seem to
write "explanations" that are best understood by people who are computer
literate. If in doubt try reading a "user manual" or talking to a "help
desk". Or standing there as they solve the problem on your screen with
flying fingers on the keyboard and then seem surprised that you can't
replicate what they just did with ease...
It's a bit like asking that eagle off your wingtip how he locates thermals
and getting the explanation back in simple Eaglease.
That said, it is useful having a very computer literate person in the
family. "Hi Dad, what's wrong with the computer now...?" normally leads to a
better result than I've ever achieved from a "help desk".
Allan Armistead
ph (02) 6249 6470, fax (02) 6249 6555, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908,
Dickson ACT 2602, Australia
"When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be."
Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519
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Ruddock
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 14:54
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Anyone interested in creating a gliding Wiki ?
What you probably should explain Jason is what a Wiki actually is, why we
should want to set one up, and, assuming one was set up, what to do with it.
I don't think 'user editable web site' quite captures the essence and
usefulness of wikis...
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Armistead
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 2:12 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Anyone interested in creating a gliding
Wiki ?
Geoff
LOL !
Let me give you a quick summary (as best as a dumb electrical and
software
engineer can manage !) of some of the jargon I used.
Wiki - supposedly the Hawaiian word for "quick". Wikis are user
editable
web sites, which generally have a lot of features to make it easy to
edit
and create cross-links between keywords and articles.
Mediawiki - the software behind the Wikipedia freely editable
encyclopaedia
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/ ). Mediawiki is one of many software
suites
that implement Wikis.
Dumps - backups, in this case, of the database of articles on a Wiki
site. The Mediawiki and Wikipedia sites do regular database dumps so
that
they can be copied by others. This is useful when starting a new
Wiki,
since there is no Help information or templates provided i.e. you get
a
TOTALLY blank slate in every regard (not always helpful).
Namespace - Mediawiki allows you to have several sub-sites. Each has
a
specific name, and thus, its space within the Wiki is called a
namespace.
S/N ratio - signal to noise ratio. A term normally used in relation
to
communications. The more signal, and the less noise, the better !
Don't worry Geoff - what you really need to know is that others on
this
list are putting an Australian gliding Wiki together, and you and
everyone
else will hopefully benefit and be able to contribute to it. In the
meantime, have a play around on the Wikipedia site (mentioned above)
and
have a look at some topics you're familiar with. Then see if you can
add
some further light and knowledge to some of the articles.
Cheers
Jason
At 08:05 AM 24/01/2006, you wrote:
Jason,
As a dumb mechanical engineer that only (just) understands
Levers &
Fulcrums .......... and has only just mastered posting claims on the
OLC.
Do you know anyone who can translate that into my lingo?
Regards Geoff
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relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Anyone interested in creating a gliding
Wiki ?
Gus
Already had a quick look at your new site.
One thing that Mediawiki DOESN'T come with is the help, since it's
built
into the Wiki database itself.
You can get a dump from Mediawiki's project "Meta" i.e.
meta.wikimedia.org
- and do a search for dumps and import this into your site. It is a
bit
tricky because you only want the English language Help namespace, not
the
entire Wiki (which would be a lot of excess fluff and a very low S/N
ratio !)
I did this for our work Wiki which is still V1.4.x series. I need to
convert it to V1.5.x anyway, so I'll see if I can get this for you if
required - it's not very big once it's ZIP-ed
If you have any specific Mediawiki questions, feel free to contact me
directly rather than via Aus-Soaring.
Regards
Jason Armistead
At 11:45 PM 23/01/2006, Gus wrote:
I think wikis are a great idea.
I've gone ahead and registered the name
"<http://www.ausgliding.com>www.ausgliding.com" and in a
day or two once I have it set up will have a gliding wiki there
that
can be contributed to by all. Feel free to put up wiring diagrams,
tost sizes, thermalling tips, pilot profiles, whatever you like.
I'm also going to put up a bulletin board (using phpBB) that
everyone
can use in a similar way to a mailing list, except everything is
grouped by topic and it reduces the chances of repeating topics all
the time. And great time wasters for work.
I'm open to suggestions about other content we can put up there.
It's
completely unofficial, and only useful if we contribute once it's
up.
Let me know your ideas.
Gus
On 1/22/06, Scott Penrose
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On 22/01/2006, at 19:05, Jason Armistead wrote:
But a lot of information, as it relates to Australian soaring,
where to get equipment, etc, (the kind of stuff that gets
asked
from time to time here on Aus-Soaring) is really not what
Wikipedia
is all about.
There are no rules for what a wiki is used for. What you
described
above sounds like a perfect thing for an Australian Wiki.
Someone mentioned that there is already heaps of information on
WikiPedia - but that is Encyclopaedic in nature - it is not
really
the place for details information on wiring diagrams, what wax
to
use, how to connect a B50 to a Blah etc. They are really quite
different.
In the end though, some people only like lists, some like wikis
and
some only like read only web pages - you can't make it perfect
for
everyone.
Scott
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Source
Developers Conference * - *
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Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the
bottle).
Please do not send me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See
<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-
attachments.html>http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
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is no.
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