Hi All,

Probably a good time to mention a few things. The FAI are looking at
approving cots devices ( which includes flarm ) for badge flying, or at
least have agreed to start looking at using them - Terry Cubley attended
that meeting and the minutes are on the GFA site or links to FAI.

Ozflarms were used extensively as back up loggers ( not it's primary design
use ) for both the QLD State comps and the nationals - some including myself
would have scored zero if we hadn't have had them. My trusty black box lost
GPS lock on one day only - cause unknown but it has never happened to me in
11 years of using it!

200 ozflarms now in operation around Australia and the next 50 are pre sold
when they are built - thanks largely to 2 Victorian clubs so the uptake in
the Southern states has been good this year. As near as I can tell there are
now 40 Non Ozflarm flarms ( i.e imports from overseas ) which could make the
total real soon to nearly 300 Oz wide.

Some of the G.A guys are trialing units who fly into gliding airfields so
those results look promising and this Friday we will be trialing some
external aerials  for tugs ( on a tug ) to improve detection.

Flarm Technology in Switzerland continue to improve the product mainly in
the software ( Version 3.02 is the current version ) and there are now
several OEM suppliers of flarm based product in Europe. As you know RF
Developments uses the core technology so any improvements are passed on to
our Australian customers and all units are 100% compatable.

Cheers all.

Nigel



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There are 17 in S.A , most of them at Gawler.

Nigel


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Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...


"once you have 2 gliders with FLARM"

Agreed Scott, however here in SA there are very few FLARMS I know of (in
fact none: Waikerie, AUGC and Balaklava do not have them, not sure about
others) and WGC has not decided to buy any as yet.

Not much point in being the only glider in the state to have one eh? Hence
my statement!

 I guess it varies from state to state, so what applies here may not be the
case elsewhere, something I should perhaps have mentioned.

There may be a point that most gliders have them, they then will become very
useful

If FLARM were to have an IGC approved logger it would really make it very
worthwhile to buy though-is this possible?

To avoid any confusion I do think FLARM is a great idea, and would like to
see all gliders have them, however until they do it will be the glider
without one that will get you if you don't continue to keep a good lookout!


Regards

Dave L

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Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 1:35 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

Some excellent advice here David, except:

On 08/11/2006, at 13:11, David Lawley wrote:
> A flarm alone will blow your budget, without PDA etc, and is next  
> to useless
> for collision avoidance unless ALL other gliders have one. They are  
> easily
> fitted with Velcro to the top of instrument panels if a temporary  
> setup in a
> club ship is required (Plenty of this happened at the Gawler Nats last
> year), needing only a 12 volt supply to function.

Just statistically, once you have 2 gliders with FLARM, every extra  
one reduces collision risk.
It is quite incorrect to say that all gliders need one to be useful.

I flew this weekend in Raywood with 20 to 30 gliders. I have no idea  
how many had FLARM, I would guess less than 10 - and it was very  
successful at picking up and warning of gliders approaching that also  
had a FLARM - even in that very limited sense, with less than a 1/3  
coverage I was getting useful and extra protection that enhanced my  
lookout - and not inconsiderably.

Beyond just the statistics, and the extreme view that it would be  
useless unless ALL were fitted is the fact that all aircraft will  
never be fitted with the same system (well not never, but not in the  
next 10, probably 20 years) - e.g. Light aircraft, ultralights,  
balloons - so even if all gliders were fitted (and bring them on -  
they are an excellent addition) - you still must have lookout, and it  
will not be total protection, just bonus extra.

Gliding Club of Victoria has now joined the ranks of other clubs to  
fit out the entire fleet - including tugs.

Scott
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