Does anyone know of a Polish glider that wont spin? Nick.
On 2/12/07, Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jonoh, Jarek (and others). I never meant that it wouldn't spin, just that the German club who owned the speciment that I flew preferred that us aussies didn't spin their aircraft (which I subsequently found out was due to a fatal accident the week before we arrived). Cathy and I spun their Bocian, but when flying with one of the senior club instructors in the DG1000, he was very reluctant to spin that too. I hasten to add, it wasn't because the"Germans don't teach spinning" which is an untrue meme often found in Australia. Their reluctance was a combination of what had recently happened and the unknown quantity of us "spin mad" Aussies descending on their club. From my incipients etc in the Pirat, I would expect it to behave "like any 60s wooden glider" ie _slightly_ more spin/departure prone than most latter glass gliders, but in a spin (and during recovery) behave in a text book manner (ie honest, no surprises). Regards SWK ------------------------------ *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jonoh *Sent:* Saturday, 10 February 2007 5:22 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Pirat I flew several hundred hours in a club owned Pirat, from 1975 to 83. There were two others based in the vicinity and I have a photo somewhere of the 3 of them lined up on the Upper Valley club Strip near Wellington NZ. I can likewise confirm that the Pirat will spin. A long time ago now but I think it had fairly benign characteristics, and standard recovery techniques resulted in a quick exit from the spin. Like its stable mates, the SZD Foka and Cobra, it was good for a reasonable range of aerobatic maneuvers. The Cobra was the pick of the 3 for aerobatics, but the Pirat wasn't too bad. Its repertoire included a maneuver called, I think, the snap half roll, but I only knew one club member brave enough to attempt it. It was strongly built (and fairly heavy, especially the center section!), and if I recall correctly it was rated for +6/-3.5g. Unfortunately one club member, around 1984, discovered the limits of its strength and didn't live to tell the tale. Shortly after release on a strong wave day it seems he got into cloud and lost control. The tow pilot descended down through the cloud gap until below cloud base at around 5000' and then headed back the field. He saw the fuselage of the Pirat minus wing emerge from the cloud heading vertically for the ground. Fragments of the wing fluttered to the ground for some time afterwards. The cause of the accident wasn't definitely determined, although the pilot had made no attempt to bail out and there was a suspicion of heart attack. He had suffered an early cardiac event which he failed to mention during his medical. The barograph trace showed the rapid descent had commenced at 7000' and a meaningful autopsy could not be performed. I remember my hours in the Pirat with much affection but I don't think I could describe it as delightful to fly. Its controls were not well harmonized and it had quite heavy ailerons. After a 5 ½ hour flight in wave one day my right arm was still feeling the effects 24 hours later! The Foka was nicer, but it was a big contrast after flying the Pirat to climb into a K6. In comparison that *was* delightful to fly. RKM ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Jarek Mosiejewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.<[email protected]> *Sent:* Friday, February 09, 2007 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Pirat Hi, It does spin. Among other duties, it's been used in Poland for basic aerobatic training - spin, loop, wingover... There is one in Bacchus Marsh (VH - XLS), owned by a syndicate of Geelong Gliding Club members. Regards Jarek ----- Original Message ----- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [email protected] *Sent:* Friday, February 09, 2007 9:40 AM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Pirat SZD 30 = Polish?? I rigged one and definitely a three person job. Didn't spin, not my club. GH -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Pirat http://toohardtodo.blogspot.com/2004/07/257-klix-official-practice-day_25.html A very upright seating position from memory, but was pretty comfortable. The Germans were a bit worried about spinning (for other reasons). I didn't spin it but did some mushy stall things. Not much different to any 60s wooden aircraft. They seemed to be inordinately popular in the old East Germany. The rigging was awkward (3 piece wing, you can see the kink in the wing in the photo where the join is), but overall an honest aeroplane. Sadly the photo is not so clear, the glider carries a shark face. 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