Yes I agree that wirecutters as installed on Pawnee's for instance would offer a significant safety improvement, but it is the glider manufacturers that would need to be persuaded to incorporate this in their designs. "Good Luck"! In the mean time it would not be unreasonable to look at fence designs, if only at the relatively short sections at the ends of the runway where the majority of these incidents are likely to happen.
Bear in mind that it is often the gliding clubs that end up maintaining these sections of fencing anyway, since its their tugs that probably cause the most wear and tear! John Parncutt -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Creswick Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 10:31 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality And who is going to design them, install them, pay for them, maintain them ? What if the farmer / whoever refuses ? Are you going to force the issue legally and have them "mandated" somehow ? Good luck. Even if you did, what about the case of an outlanding, with an old, hidden, partial fence, with a few strands, in the middle of a field, in the middle of nowhere ? It is the glider that has to be equipped to deal with the wire, not the wire being equipped / configured to deal with the glider. What is required is a wire cutter arrangement like cropdusters have, which would be far - far better. They have been needed for years, but everyone refuses to consider them. Why ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Parncutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality > Given the amount of incidents which have occurred with aerodrome perimeter > fences especially in gliding, perhaps thought should be given to changing > the design of these fences to make them more forgiving. > > Possibilities may include some sort of weak link system in each wire or > perhaps sprung sections which may allow the canopy to deflect the wire. > > I'm sure there is enough ingenuity within the gliding movement to come up > with some ideas to make these fences safer whilst still performing their > function. > > John Parncutt > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce > Taylor > Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 8:24 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality > > Good call, Mitch. > > The only addition I would like to make is that it seems the > pilot/instructor > had very few options... he was released at low altitude without enough > energy to clear the fence, and (thinking through the evidence I have > heard) > with a downburst happening somewhere behind him. This leaves him with an > increasing tailwind, and if he was touching down somewhere near the stall, > he is approaching the fence with no control response, in a > nosewheel-equipped glider. He DID try to groundloop, with no response. > > Very tough for all, especially the instructor. > > BT. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitchell Preston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality > > >> Fair comment, Ron, however in this case we should perhaps refrain from >> any judgement (deliberate or otherwise) until a more suitable time. I >> would like to offer my condolences to the family of the student and let >> my good friends at LKSC know that they are in my thoughts as they deal >> with the aftermath of this accident. >> >> Mitch. >> >> >> On 25/02/2007, at 9:05 PM, Ron Sanders wrote: >> >>> Even if you have only got five feet to run before the fence YOU MUST >>> initiate a ground loop. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 25/02/2007 > 3:16 PM > > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
