Gentlemen,

My comment regarding weather impacts at Ararat applied only to winching in the event that a split operation was in place.  Also, it is my understanding that there is a winch at the Marsh which is used occasionally, so they could offer a full service if required.

Geoff V

At 09:48 PM 10/09/2007 +1000, DMcD wrote:
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>I guess not many of you have read this article, or had not read it
>when you replied to the original post. Doesn't the guy say
>
>"For pilots used to low cost modern varios with large LCD screens,
>integrated GPS, loggers and glide computers, the instruments in
>sailplanes are very retro... So you must learn to appreciate period
>aircraft. On balance that's a very good thing.  There's little point
>in learning to drive in a Ferrari and then graduating to a Combi van."
>
>It's not a claim that HG instruments are better, just different. And
>for do we really think training in a DG 1000 is better than a Blanik
>or a Poopateck? After the Lord Mayor comes the dung cart. Is the new
>pilot going to go solo in the DG or the K6?
>
>I've flown a sailplane listening to the audio of a hang gliding vario
>while occasionally looking at the (inaccurate) needle of the glider's
>own vario. Since most of the sensations in a thermal are through the
>seat of your pants, does it really matter if the needle on the vario
>resolves to 0.05 kts up, or 0.5? Are thermal cores that steady?
>
>There's been a heap of traffic on this list about PDAs. Well in my
>opinion, the latest generation of hang gliding varios look a heap more
>powerful and convenient and easy to use than this.
>
>Glider pilots in general have a terrific ability to be sucked down the
>technology tunnel and miss why we go gliding in the first place. To
>have FUN!
>
>So does it matter if you are not flying the latest 60:1 carbon fibre
>glider? Obviously not, or the average age of gliders in this country
>would be younger than 25 years and nobody would fly Libelles and
>Cirruses. Personally, the most fun I have had this year was in a T31
>with my head in the air.
>
>Do you have more fun scratching around a 750 km triangle in a 60:1
>glider than in a 14 :1 glider? Are you better for doing this than
>someone like Wolf Hirth or Phillip Wills flying a few hundred kms (in
>a straight line)? I think not. In fact I would guess that both pilots
>had a similar amount of fun... or maybe the pilot in the lower
>performing glider had more...
>
>At the HG worlds last month, there was a task of over 280 kms. I am
>sure that Lillienthal would have appreciated that. He would have
>appreciated the 300 kms declared triangle done by Gerolf Heinrichs
>just before Christmas this year.
>
>I've flown paragliders, hang gliders and sailplanes. Guess what? It's
>all just gliding. Each has its own attractions. You might infer from
>the fact that there are probably three times as many paraglider pilots
>as sailplane pilots that paragliders were more fun. Certainly the
>anarchic ability to launch where you want, when you want, with your
>own portable low-cost aircraft has a certain attraction, especially
>for generation Y-ers.
>
>But our man was not a generation Y-er... not if he had spent 30 years
>hang gliding. In fact he'd probably be counted as an old fart like
>most glider pilots.
>
>I think it's odd that in the main, the comments made about this
>article in this newsgroup were negative. That's OK if there are enough
>glider pilots for the next 20 years. But there are not. Gliding
>desperately needs more. Why can't these come from people who already
>have shown a dedication to gliding? Like hang and paraglider pilots.
>Welcome them in!
>
>And on a closing note.... Having spent the last week deep in the guts
>of a Blanik, my thought is that if the Wright brothers had invented
>one of these, the world would have beat a hasty retreat to the simple
>and elegant solution of weight shift control. In the time it takes to
>remove and replace a flap, you could build several hang gliders! Think
>about it. No weight and balance. No spins. No control surfaces.
>Nothing to grease. The entire airframe costing around the same as a
>glider canopy. And I'm not even going to get into the relative debate
>on safety.
>
>D McD.
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