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Today's Topics:
1. Re: diesel pricing (John Giddy)
2. Diesel (David Lawley)
3. Re: Diesel (Tom Wilksch)
4. Re: Diesel (Kevin McGowan)
5. Re: Decodes for area met briefings (Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON)
6. Re: RE pawnee engine option (D S Baker)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:54:05 +1000
From: John Giddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] diesel pricing
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
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Not so sure modern Diesel is "less refined". The currently available
fuel has a very low sulphur content. This must either restrict the
source material or impose much more processing at the refinery.
John G.
Catherine Conway wrote:
Can anyone explain why it is more expensive in Australia when it is a
less refined product?
(actually yes I know the answer is taxes but why is the tax not
consistent across all fuels? Why do Diesel users pay more?)
-Cath
On 13/05/2008, at 7:59 AM, Wayne Carter wrote:
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 00:57:03 +1000
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Interestingly, I am in Singapore right now (isn't that where our price
for Crude oil is set) and I am looking at a Shell station with
unleaded at SG$2.01 and diesel at SG$1.58. In real terms the unleaded
is about AUD$1.66 and diesel is AUD$1.30.
If only I could buy diesel at that price for my new turbo diesel that
I got last week.
Stuart
Interesting indeed, Stuart!
The price of diesel in Melbourne, also in Auckland is around $1.58/
litre
Melbourne ULP $1.36
Auckland ULP $$1.89
What is the go there?
Wayne Carter
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:10:17 +0000
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Diesel
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Hi All,
Whilst I understand the disgust at the price of diesel, it isnt very
relevant to the discussion.
As I understand it diesel aircraft engines are actually run on kero/JetA1,
due to diesel having high viscosity/wax solidification problems at low
temp. (At least this was the case of a modern diesel aircraft that visited
our club a while ago)
I remember a story my father told me of his days of trucking in the UK
when in winter they had to put a blowtorch on the fuel lines and tank to
start the motors of their trucks!
Not to useful for aviation methinks. Now what is the price of kero/JetA1?
Regards
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:46:20 +0930
From: "Tom Wilksch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Diesel
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It may also be that auto diesel is not certified for use in aircraft.
This was the case in the UK with my Dad's diesel aero engine company. We
did all the dyno testing using cheap agricultural (red) diesel, but flight
testing was done on JetA1
Tom
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From: David Lawley
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Diesel
Hi All,
Whilst I understand the disgust at the price of diesel, it isnt very
relevant to the discussion.
As I understand it diesel aircraft engines are actually run on
kero/JetA1, due to diesel having high viscosity/wax solidification
problems at low temp. (At least this was the case of a modern diesel
aircraft that visited our club a while ago)
I remember a story my father told me of his days of trucking in the UK
when in winter they had to put a blowtorch on the fuel lines and tank to
start the motors of their trucks!
Not to useful for aviation methinks. Now what is the price of kero/JetA1?
Regards
Dave
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:42:01 +1000
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At Essendon (Melbourne) Avgas is $1.79.19 / Ltr and Jet A1 is $1.80
K
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Tue, 13 May 2008 05:10:17 +0000Subject: [Aus-soaring] Diesel
Hi All,Whilst I understand the disgust at the price of diesel, it isnt
very relevant to the discussion.As I understand it diesel aircraft engines
are actually run on kero/JetA1, due to diesel having high viscosity/wax
solidification problems at low temp. (At least this was the case of a
modern diesel aircraft that visited our club a while ago)I remember a
story my father told me of his days of trucking in the UK when in winter
they had to put a blowtorch on the fuel lines and tank to start the motors
of their trucks!Not to useful for aviation methinks. Now what is the price
of kero/JetA1?RegardsDave
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:22:08 +1000
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Decodes for area met briefings
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Michael - get with the 21st Century mate; why use your brain and a map
that
costs a couple of dollars when you can use a $2000.00 computer to do the
job :)
On a more serous vein, even as a Flight Service Briefing Officer 25 plus
years ago, knowing our areas well and reading the forecasts many times a
day
(before Fax and Internet Briefing) the BoM forecasters would occasionally
toss in a code that we would have to look up. Today with most briefing
done
by internet one would think an overview map could be included as part of
the
forecast service.
Any BoM employees out there want to put that in your Business Improvement
in
box?
SDF
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Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 11:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Decodes for area met briefings
I underscore Wombat's comments.
Buy a PCA (Planning chart Australia), and all the Met locations are there.
Also the area forecast boundaries are shown. PCA's are cheap and available
online from Airservices Australia.
Note, the planning charts are updated twice a year (June and November), so
use a current one because every now and again, the Met locations do change
(i.e places deleted, places added etc).
My 2.2c worth!
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:03:10 +0930
From: "D S Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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And my brother and I have only just finished fixing up the old patrol for
me
to drive. And it's diesel.
Dion Baker
2008/5/13 stuart smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Interestingly, I am in Singapore right now (isn't that where our price
for
Crude oil is set) and I am looking at a Shell station with unleaded at
SG$2.01 and diesel at SG$1.58. In real terms the unleaded is about
AUD$1.66
and diesel is AUD$1.30.
If only I could buy diesel at that price for my new turbo diesel that I
got last week.
Stuart
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE pawnee engine option
Here we go again. The most popular single topic on this list in 2007 was
> about tow cars.
>
> The best way to lower your fuel consumption is to stay in the air.
>
> :-)
>
> Tim
>
> Dennis Hipperson wrote:
>
> > Of course you could also use LPG.
> >
> > Robert your C5 using 6Lt/100Km would cost you $9.88 /100Km in
> > Melbourne with the current fuel price of $1.64Lt
> > My 4lt Falcon on LPG uses 12.5 Lt/100km costing $7.61/100Km with the
> > current price of 60.9cLt.
> >
> > Dennis
> > http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/retail/diesel/national.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Hart wrote:
> >
> > > Jim Staniforth wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is the current price of diesel versus mogas in Australia?
> > > > In the US, the fuel companies have figured out that they can
> > > > charge more for diesel than even premium gasoline. For example,
> > > > at the
> > > > moment I'm in Las Vegas where regular mogas is about $3.65US per
> > > > US gallon,
> > > > premium mogas around $3.90, and diesel $4.35. These figures are
> > > > $.25 or so
> > > > less than at home in California. Truckers and those who paid
> > > > extra for
> > > > diesel vehicles are furious, as we all know diesel fuel is more
> > > > easily
> > > > produced.
> > > > It's a matter of time before this daylight robbery happens in
> > > > Australia, if it hasn't already. If so, this throws the economic
> > > > advantage
> > > > of diesel out the window and all you're left with is a bad smell.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not quite true. Yes, here in Aus we have diesel prices that are
> > > about 15-25c higher than petrol. but (at least in my 2.0 litre
> > > turbo diesel
> > > Citroen C5) I am still saving money compared to the Mazda Tribute
> > > (2.6
> > > litre, petrol), despite that higher price.
> > >
> > > Towing Alice in her trailer on the highway I average about 8
> > > litres/100km (without the trailer I get 6 litres/100km) whereas
> > > with the
> > > Mazda I got about 10 litres/100km (no trailer) and 13 litres/100km
> > > (with
> > > trailer).
> > >
> > > Having experienced the fuel consumption (yet still sporty
> > > performance) of these engines in a hire car in Europe, this was a
> > > major
> > > determinant for me when I switched cars last year.
> > >
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