As it is OT I've replied to Vaughan privately.
As for "It's often said that the most dangerous thing about gliding
is driving to & from the gliding club. How true that was in David's
case." I think that has been discussed here lots and Bruno
Gantenbrink's article is on the DG website.
Mike
At 03:12 PM 28/03/2009, you wrote:
Dear Mike, everyone
As a long-time lurker on this list, I didn't think I'd be motivated
to make my first post off-topic.
Jesus taught us of the necessity of forgiveness. There have been
terrible wrongs in history on all sides. We should forgive and seek
forgiveness. Islam is not the enemy. In my experience, Muslims are
righteous, peace-loving people.
That does not change the fact that the Captain is guilty of gross
dereliction of duty in this case, but denigration of his faith
doesn't achieve anything good.
Cheers
- Vaughan
P.S. I would also like to celebrate the memory of David Krnak,
former member of the Barossa Valley Gliding Club (like me), taken
from us this day 17 years ago. It's often said that the most
dangerous thing about gliding is driving to & from the gliding
club. How true that was in David's case.
On 28/03/2009, at 6:56 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
At 04:05 PM 27/03/2009, you wrote:
While Robert scuba dives through Cairo, the rest of you who may be
interested can search for "islamic terror attacks", "islam
expansion", "Battle of Tours", " Lepanto"(and read the poem) ,"battle
of Vienna 1683", "Barbary coast pirates". I'm sure you will be surprised.
By the way Robert, nowhere in my post did I class "all people of the
Islamic faiths as terrorists". You are obviously reading
comprehension challenged. You also left out my reference to ASIC
cards. Nice. Care to tell us why we need them?
The point I was making was in response to Gavin Wrigley's post, that
making judgements after due consideration of the facts is not "prejudice".
Ever consider how if Islam had won at Tours or Lepanto or Vienna
there might well have been no renaissance or Western civilization?
Mike
>Mike Borgelt wrote:
>>
>>I'd be just as pissed off if the Captain started using his rosary
>>beads but judgements based on verifiable facts such as that we in
>>the West are currently under attack by a 1400 year old political
>>movement masquerading as a religion, whose adherents want us dead
>>or converted to their totalitarian cause and are the cause of much
>>strife in the world today as they have been for the last 1400 years
>>are not "prejudice".
>That, I'm afraid, is some of the most bigotted anti-Islamic speech I
>have come across. In much the same way that the beliefs on the
>extremist fringes of the Christian religion have only a passing
>acquaintanceship with the core teachings of Christ, those of the
>extreme Islamists also bear little resemblance to the core of Islam.
>
>Furthermore, when we in the "educated west" were wallowing in the
>dark ages, conducting purges against our fellow Christians (take a
>look at the Abigensian "Crusade" as an example), burning
>'proscribed' books reporting unacceptable truths and also people for
>investigating the real world around them, the Islamic civilisation
>was keeping alive the flame of learning and scientific inquiry.
>
>Without the preservation and extension of knowledge undertaken by
>the Islamic civilisations around the mediterranean, our Renaissance
>would have had a hard time getting started.
>
>I do not condone and will not accept the behaviour of the terrorists
>- but neither will I accept sweeping generalisations that attempt to
>class all people of the Islamic faiths as terrorists.
>
>I hasten to add I am not an adherent of either religion.
>
>
>--
>Robert
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