Mal,

PowerFlarm which seems to be running a year or so behind schedule will have Flarm and ADSB IN as well as Mode C/S transponder detection. The Flarm display will show Flarm and ADSB targets and the transponder detector gives range (within 5nm on current PCAS units)and relative altitude(within +/- 2000 feet) as well as whether the target is climbing or descending. This actually quite useful and gives you a potential escape manoeuver in many cases.

The ADSB OUT requires a TSO'd Mode S transponder and TSO'd GNSS system (expensive), required to be installed,tested and signed off by a qualified installer(expensive) and WILL require scheduled checking by a qualified tester(expensive). This is orders of magnitude more difficult than the toy TCAS that is Flarm(it is a toy and will be regarded as such by the regulator because of the lack of the 3 aforementioned characteristics).

I think we gave away the argument about power drain when glider pilots installed colour displays drawing 0.5 amps or greater continuously.

I'm rolling around the floor laughing at sport aviation organisations, one of which (GFA) mandated a collision avoidance system in contests, protesting mandatory fitment of another collision avoidance system which potentially at least, protects all air traffic.

Lots of luck with that fellers!

Mike





At 05:30 PM 26/11/2010, you wrote:

Could flarm and ADSB run on a single unit I recall having discussion with Nigel about this how about your expert opinion?

Personally I 100% support technology being used for collision avoidance the cost of the units and current battery technology is minimal and the shared cost per aircraft far out weighs the cost of one life.

I am sure that negotiated properly some costs could be shared by GFA and the federal government CASA after all they want “safe sky’s for all”!

Mal


CASA Discussion Paper Response - Urgent Action Required



To: GFA Members, Gliding Clubs and Regional Gliding Associations

Urgent Action Required

See the response by <http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNTEzMTk/index.html>ASAC to CASA relating to <http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNTEzMjA/index.html>Discussion Paper 1006AS In a nutshell, it proposes to mandate universal fitting of ADSB and Mode S to all aircraft for use in all classifications of airspace. This is completely unacceptable to sport aviation generally and gliding particularly.

The GFA will be submitting a response which will express similar views to those of ASAC.

It is important that as many responses as possible are submitted expressing concerns about the proposal and at the very least expressing strong support for the ASAC submission.

Submissions can be made easily by individuals and club representatives via CASA website "<http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNTEzMjE/index.html>Response to Regulatory Change Proposal". Detailed individual responses would be preferred but a response which just expresses dissatisfaction with CASA's consultation and then notes for each item that changes would make it acceptable, with a final comment supporting the ASAC paper will at least get the message across.

It would greatly assist our position if each organisation can ensure a response on their behalf before 30 November and encourage all individual members to do the same. Apologies for the short notice.

Phil McCann
President
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