At 10:44 AM 9/09/2011, you wrote:
Imagine if the powers that be rigidly set out how a club should operate


They already do. Every club shall be a training club. May have been somewhat sensible up until 1980 or so. Not so nowadays. The Aero clubs in Australia used to be training clubs too but many of those have disappeared and a country town aero club is now either drinking club or it has a C172 in a hangar with a combination lock. An instructor may visit for those needing biannuals or flight training.


As pointed out by others CASA needs its arse kicked on this as well in regard to expectations and payment of administration fees. Gliders have become more and more sophisticated.


Really? Is a motorless Discus 2 or Ventus 2 really any more complicated than a H301 Libelle from 1965?

Look at the majority of AD's issued in the past few years and they generally pertain to motor/turbo gliders. Just how much longer can we expect the GFA (that's us) to continue to cover these costs on what are essentially single engine aircraft.


What costs? How much does it cost to put a link to a manufacturer's or EASA/FAA website on the GFA website? CASA now merely says to Registered Operators that they are responsible for acting on AD's issued by the certifying state. If you've had much to do with self launchers you'd know that no two engine installations seem to be exactly the same (certified anyone?) and few seem to meet CS22 requirements in all respects. There's a 50 hour endurance test for example with a prescribed number of starts and power scheduling. So what about all those broken drive belts and failed ignition systems due to vibration in under 20 hours? Self launchers are Experimental devices at about the development level of early 1950s British motorcycles before the Japanese showed them how to do it. That may be unfair to 1950s British motorbikes.

I suspect a majority of GFA(our) time goes into justifying our existence with CASA. What concerns me here is that unless we as the GFA(us) fall into line, a little bit, we could be in real trouble. Some say "tell CASA to jump in the lake" or words to that effect, and point to the fact that we as members have been doing a reasonable job over the past 60 odd years. What happens if CASA say OK, we'll take you back into our system. I shudder to think.


About the only difference will be that trained pilots will have a licence and not effectively be students forever and able to operate on their own responsibility and instructors may actually have to meet some sort of real aviation industry standards. Given the rate at which they smash gliders and injure and kill students and passengers this may be an improvement.

Not much else would change. CASA has a nice maintenance release form we could use instead of inventing a GFA form, the logbooks are the same, maintenance is the same. The aircraft still needs a C of A , a C of R etc.
Ask our friends in the USA.


The rest was pretty sensible. Business as usual clearly isn't working. Doing more of it, harder, won't work either. Kind of like "the floggings will continue until morale improves".

Mike

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