Jesus wept. By your logic, halon could never put out a fire in the open. A jet engine is basically a tube, open at both ends with a few minor obstructions called turbine and compressor blades, in the way. Once airborne there is a fair breeze blowing through it. Halon is regarded as effective which is why it is standard equipment on jet airliners for both engines and freight compartments.

So how do you explain this: http://www.hartindo.net/af11e.html Seems to put out open fires quite well. It is a halon equivalent as is made clear. I couldn't get a reply from these guys unfortunately. If you have a fire that large in the engine bay things have truly got out of hand. A decent halon extinguisher system may have had a chance to prevent the tragedy with the Stemme a few years ago in Sydney.

Dry powder has its problems as there are cases where you may be on the ground and have a fire on startup. You aren't in much immediate danger if you evacuate the aircraft promptly (as Carol's instructor said about startup engine fires, take steps, large and fast ones away from the aircraft). Fire suppression isn't just for saving lives, it is also to prevent economic loss. Wrecking what you put out only prevents further loss to nearby equipment.

Here's a wikipedia article on fire extinguishers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_extinguisher More than you wanted to know. I know it's wikipedia but the subject is fairly non political and the article looks sensible. Looks to me like halon is about as good as anything on general combustibles around the house and flammable liquids and gases. Same thing really as petrol doesn't burn, the vapour is what burns. The new halon replacements all seem to use at least twice as much mass for the same effect.

On toxicity: The old freon refrigerant was only toxic to the extent that it displaced oxygen. There was a picture in Scientific American of a mouse walking around in a fish tank of freon liquid with oxygen dissolved in it some years ago. This a way of making people resistant to extreme g loads too. The replacement refrigerant has caused death at 4000 ppm.

Mike





At 12:13 PM 14/01/2013, you wrote:
 1. Re: FireWire fire detection wire. (DMcD)

yeah but I re-iterate (against Mike's suggestion) Halon -or any other gas based retardant- will NOT put out an engine fire if the engine is extended, much less so if it is running. It will work fine if the bay doors are shut and / or there is a limited area -as Mike said, within an jet engine housing works OK- but not out in the breeze.
+1 BCF only option, sorry

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