Could not agree more Casey. It would seem to me that GFA is basically us - so if we do not like something, try to politely change it.
Cheers Paul Bart On Sep 13, 2013 1:36 PM, "Casey Jay Lewis" <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, I've sat by and watched the sense of entitlement and GFA bashing long > enough. > > As Tim playfully pointed out, it's the F in GFA. The state bodies are > entitled to set & enforce their own rules. Would national harmonization be > nice? Sure! > > If it was me, I'd write stating present experience, outlining equivalence > where applicable and seek a dispensation before starting a power whinge. > > On rest: A professional pilot conducting a 16hr duty is required to spend > hours of that SLEEPING. He is also in a multi-crew, climate controlled > environment with autopilots (plural). Lets not compare apples with potatoes. > > Finally, after 20+ years in aviation I've met my share of selfless > enablers, dedicating disproportionate amounts of time and effort to other > pilots. Having never met me, Tim was professional, warm & welcoming. He > somehow found time to help me achieve my goals in between running courses, > coaching students and his own personal flying. If he and those like him are > the people we are attacking them our sport is rooted. > > If there needs to be a whipping boy in this sport, let it be CASA! ;) > > Brgds, > > Casey. > > iPhone Transmission > > On 13 Sep, 2013, at 18:23, [email protected]: > > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications (Tim Shirley) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:22:57 +1000 > > From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications > > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > > <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I?ll be at Waikerie as a competitor. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > Tra dire e fare c?? mezzo il mare > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway > > Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 20:12 > > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications > > > > > > > > Well said Tim > > > > > > > > I certainly appreciate your efforts and have seen just how much you and > Joy have contributed so that I can enjoy myself. > > > > > > > > Thank you. Sincerely. > > > > > > > > I'd love to see you get the opportunity to fly a bit more yourself > instead of working for the enjoyment of all of us. > > > > > > > > Cath > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On 13/09/2013, at 7:35 PM, "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Hmm, > > > > > > > > What I said, is that our insurers require a Competitors licence as a > qualification for entry, in order to indemnify contest officials against > the consequences of a claim arising from incidents at that contest. Is > anyone suggesting that there should be NO insurance for contest officials? > > > > > > > > This isn?t a rule of the competition. It is there to ensure that there > will actually be some officials willing to run the competition! > > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, the issue of a Competition Licence does not > require anything beyond the CFI?s signature to say that in his or her > opinion, the applicant is competent to hold the licence. There is nothing > there about any specific qualification, though clearly a pilot would need a > X/C rating to enter a competition. > > > > > > > > Please try to distinguish between the GFA and an Insurance company ? > they are not quite the same thing. > > > > > > > > And one thing more. > > > > > > > > I have yet to be paid to officiate at any gliding contest. The best I > have managed is some help with expenses or some accommodation. I?ve been > an official at more gliding competitions than I can remember or count. But > if you guys are not willing to do at least something to help with the risks > of litigation, then count me out in the future. You don?t deserve my or > anyone elses help. > > > > > > > > I can handle grumpy pilots. I can deal with dusty airfields and 45C. I > can make scoring systems work. I can even get around silly rulemakers. > > > > > > > > But I have serious difficulties getting my enthusiasm back when people > just take it for granted that I?ll be there to run next one. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > Tra dire e fare c?? mezzo il mare > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Collum > > Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 18:35 > > To: 'Mal Bruce'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications > > > > > > > > Dear Mal, > > > > > > > > You seem to be offended by John?s suggestion that some of our badges are > equivalent to boy scout badges, but let?s be honest?isn?t that what some of > them are? > > > > > > > > You also seem to be upset by his questioning of the requirement of a 5 > hour flight for competition pilots. Are our rules so perfect that there is > no room to challenge them? > > > > > > > > Tim Shirley has indicated that the ?5 hour flight? is an insurance > requirement for competitions, but I am not aware of any evidence that this > is based on anything other than someone?s theory that it is reasonable. > Maybe alternative ?qualifications? could be negotiated if enough people > thought it was reasonable? > > > > > > > > You make a couple of interesting observations about fatigue and some > industries? responses to the admission of fatigue?I just wish when I said I > felt fatigued someone would stand me down? J. But, have you never been > tempted to yawn [surely a sign of fatigue or boredom or loss of > concentration] while flying a glider? Did you promptly ground yourself? > Will you promptly ground yourself [i.e. land at the first place it is safe > to do so] if you do yawn when 300km from your destination? > > > > > > > > John raised some reasonable issues [perhaps not quite as subtlety as he > might] and I think they deserve reasonable and reasoned answers. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 10:43 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications > > > > > > > > Heavy vehicle drivers can drive for 5 hours and 15 minutes with out a > break I guess they are professionals we drive up to 12 - 14 hours depending > on what fatigue management rules they operate under. > > > > > > > > Long hall pilots are often on duty for 16 hours. > > > > > > > > If you were working for NSW State Transit Authority to mention fatigue > or say you are fatigued you would be stood down and sent off for medical > checks this did does happen, from a close family member this has happened > at Qantas as well. > > > > > > > > The two hours fatigue caters for the lowest common denominator, not for > professional drivers. > > > > > > > > In gliding, driving and flying they make rules. > > > > > > > > The reason they are unlikely to change the rules for you is they are > there for safety and liability reasons. > > > > > > > > Southern cross gliding club used to make pilots stay local at Forbes and > do their five hours. > > > > Before venturing off on their 50 km flights. I suggest you do the same. > > > > > > > > I was 14 when I started gliding I have seen many pilots hit fences, > trees, cars, other aircraft on the ground and in the air most of them > dehydrated and fatigued that?s 32 years of gliding and 600 hours when your > at the NSW comps have a look at the 18 meter trophy it took 21 years to get > that. > > > > > > > > Your comment about boy scout badges is so insulting the the sport of > gliding maybe your RAAF culture is to blame hopefully your clubs CFI > insists you do your five hours local given your public admission of fatigue. > > > > > > > > Regards The One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6656 - Release Date: 09/11/13 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > _____ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6656 - Release Date: 09/11/13 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20130913/b6cfff53/attachment.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 120, Issue 40 > > ******************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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