Matt, just cross-posted your message to Rec.Aviation.Soaring in the thread about the two identical flights. May upset a few people with the remark "the US team has a lot to learn about pair (team) flying." Jim
-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 2/12/14, Matt Gage <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims To: "Aus Soaring" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:10 PM Unlike Australian comps, there is nothing in the sporting code (which governs records) that suggests the flights can't be done pair flying, or even receiving weather or condition information from multiple locations to assist decision making. Additionally, I believe that Pam actually contacted the IGC for clarification on this before posting the notification. For those that like to know where the task was, TP1 was an arbitrary GPS point midway between Ivanhoe and Balranald - there's nothing there, so nothing to name it after ! Wombat is correct in that we were using this flight as a training exercise for the worlds, this was actually the 2nd record attempt in the week we spent together - we fell well short of Peter Temple's new 750k o/r record a few days earlier. We were wingtip to wingtip at both the start and finish, although for much of the flight, this wasn't the case as we repeatedly had one then the other get separated vertically and the had to work hard to pull the low one back up without slowing the high one - very good training for us. The intention was to try and do this jointly, although, if one of us had been clearly ahead at the finish, they were not going to wait ! For others thinking of doing the same, you are not going to be able to pair fly effectively without a lot of practice, equivalent gliders at the same wing loading and a similar flying style - we had this, and had almost no disagreement over thermal strengths to use, height bands, speed to fly, tracks in both the blue and with Cu, etc. Over the week, we flew for over 30 hours together over about 3,500 km. This particular flight was on the last day. Finally, we need to apologise to everyone affected by the huge amount of radio traffic between us last week Matt On 13 Feb 2014, at 13:12 , Paul Bart <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Wombat Those were my thoughts, but the question still remains, is the flight unassisted, given that the whole point of pair flying is to go faster. I have no axe to grind, I am just interested. Cheers Paul On 13 February 2014 09:09, Mike Cleaver <[email protected]> wrote: The flight was a pairs-flying exercise and they started and finished wingtip to wingtip to ensure the times were the same to the second! Wombat On 13/02/2014 8:10 AM, Peter (PCS3) wrote: Now that must be a record: two simultaneous claims on the same day in the same model of glider with the exactly the same location, speeds and distance!!!! What are the chances of that? !!!!!!!!!! PeterS On 12/02/2014 9:47 AM, Pam wrote: GFA has received the following record claims for the Australian National Standard Class 750km triangle speed record:>> Category: GeneralClass: StandardType of record: 750km triangle speedLocation: West WyalongPerformance: 134.01 kphPilot: Matt gageGlider: LS8/15mDate: 8/2/2014>> Category: General Sub-class Standard Type of record : Speed over a 750km triangle Course/location : West Wyalong Aerodrome, NSW ( Australia ) - TP1`- Conargo and return Performance : 134.01 km/hr Pilot : Allan Barnes Glider : LS8/15mRegistration: VH-NSZ Date : 08 Feb 2014 _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
