Hi All,
At Goondiwindi the 4DM competed in the two seater class. Due to the smaller
number of 20m gliders this year, I assume the 20 m class was flown as a two
seater class. It actually worked quite well as the handicaps seemed to take
care of the performance differences. There is a problem in national open
class competitions as the ballasted ASG29s and JSs run away from the older
open class gliders, particularly the two seaters such as ASH 25s and Nimbus
3Ds. The handicaps go nowhere near making up for performance differences.
The gliders with large two seater fuselages probably now don't even bother
to enter.
The 20m class in an international one and is working OK as a stand alone
competition. Perhaps consideration could be given to having a two seater
class associated with a national competition, particularly one which is
looking for entries.
I am very much in favour of having assigned start points as a means of
reducing gaggling. At Goondiwindi there were 4 groups of 3 start points. The
groups were spaced around the airfield. roughly a group to each of N,E,S and
W. This certainly reduced gaggling both at the start and on track. There was
a problem in that the distances apart meant that if there was no usable lift
at a start point to which you had flown, then is was usually up to about 15
km to fly to another one to which you were allocated. On short days when it
was imperative to get started, this created a problem for pilots.
Apart from this, the system worked very well. If there are, as there should
be, concerns about pilots starting and then flying through other start
points, perhaps at speed, then a decision could be made each day to
eliminate one group of start points in the direction of the first leg. There
would still be 3 groups of available for all pilots and if the distances
apart were a little less than at Goondiwindi then any concerns about
allocated start points would be mitigated by this arrangement. I guess the
start line, follow or run down the leader, enthusiasts, would throw up their
hands in horror at the complications in eliminating a group of start points
each day,
Worth a thought,
Harry Medlicott
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross McLean
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 12:26 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Wingspans
Hi Ron I got it too
But just FYI, Sports Class at the Easter Comps at Goondiwindi was run
correctly by Boonah Club and in accordance with the National Sports and Club
Class rules and also employed the same handicaps as the nationals.
No rules were bent, broken or spindled to achieve this.
Sports class, in accordance with those rules, quite validly included a
Quintus, an ASH31, a Nimbus 4DM, 2 x Nimbus 2's, ASG29, JS1C (21m) and
several JS1B's (18m) along with Ventus 2C's, LS8's and various others right
down to a 15m Ventus A. You would have been very welcome to compete in
Sports Class in your Nimbus and I dare to say you would have enjoyed the
comp as did, without exception, all the other competitors.
In addition there was a 20m 2 seat comp with several Duo Discus and an Arcus
M competing and of course the normal Club Class ships.
You missed a good one, Goondiwindi is an outstanding gliding site and a very
gliding friendly town.
ROSS
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2014 6:38 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Wingspans
Of course!! it is just that had I known I might have gone!! and I think it
is an eminently sensible thing to do.
Ron
On 24 April 2014 15:04, Matthew Scutter <[email protected]> wrote:
Some of us got it. I think Easter comps are generally more about fun
than rules though.
On 24 Apr 2014 16:58, "Ron Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote:
nobody got it.
On 23 April 2014 20:36, Catherine Conway <[email protected]> wrote:
> ZBY IS 26.5 m
>
> Cath
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 23 Apr 2014, at 9:44 pm, "Rob Wintulich"
>> <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ron, Schempp Hirth website says 4DM has 26.5m wingspan!
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sanders Sent: Wednesday,
>> April 23,
>> 2014 8:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Wingspans
>> I was just wondering what is the wingspan of VH GXY, Nimbus 4 DM??
>>
>> Ron
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