And then this from the ABC news...which is a bit different to the Brisbane Times/Fairfax coverage.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-18/colour-blind-pilots-licences-reviewed-by-casa/5531906 Thanks & Regards, Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:19 PM, < [email protected]> wrote: > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested to > read > opinions (Gary Stevenson) > 2. Re: Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested to read > opinions (Ian Mc Phee) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 23:00:52 +1000 > From: "Gary Stevenson" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested > to read opinions > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <003101cf8af5$55ba5850$012f08f0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hmm, > > Just fished this back out of my ?delete? box. > > > > Ross raises a couple of interesting points here, namely: > > 1. ?Who is Peter Fereday? ie What is his professional background? How did > he get to his current position? What are his responsibilities/what does he > actually do? > > Are there political implications here, and if so what have his masters > commanded him to do? Is he a ?competent person? ? > > > > 2. If there are no political implications, what is his > purpose in raising this (dead???), issue? > > > > If we do not know the answers to these questions, and in particular to > Q2, it is somewhat presumptuous to assume ? .....an issue that is > complete and utter nonsense?. > > > > This thread basically began with a ?Brisbane Times? news article. Let me > make a VERY important point here. In my dealings with the popular media, > where I have been in full position of the facts, I have NEVER yet seen a > 100% accurate presentation of those facts by the media! Please keep this > foremost in your minds. > > > > The Brisbane Times somewhat vaguely mentions a paper written by Douglas B > Watson (PMO, NZCA), which (the reporter thinks???), is relevant to his > article. > > > > Has anybody FOUND this paper? Is it, in fact relevant? Have they READ it , > CONSIDERED it, and come to an opinion? > > > > It is reported that the AFAP made a submission on the matter. If the BT > article can be taken at face value, the AFAP submission was very weak. I > find this somewhat difficult to believe. > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross McLean > Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2014 6:37 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested to > read opinions > > > > Good Grief! > > Excluding colour blind pilots just doesn't make any sense at all to me. > > It may have once upon a time, before HF and VHF radio communication and > mobile phones were commonplace and the Tower would give take off and > landing clearances with Red or Green lights. But that went out with flying > goggles and fabric and wood aeroplanes. What is the point? > > > > I personally have several very long term good friends who are Airline > Captains with 10's of thousands of hours and long successful aviation > careers behind them who have always been colour blind. Never seems to have > compromised their ability nor the safety of their operations. > > > > Just who is this "CASA's Industry Permissions Manager Peter Fereday" > anyway and what is the purpose of raising an issue that is a complete and > utter nonsense? > > > > According to the Brisbane Times article quoted below ".....Colour blind > pilots have been able to co-pilot passenger planes in Australia for the > past 25 years since two landmark cases in the 1980s at the Administrative > Appeals Tribunal." Dr Arthur Pape, a pilot who brought one case against > CASA at that time concisely stated that there was ''not a skerrick of > evidence to suggest that pilots have made so much as a scratch on an > aeroplane as a result of colour vision impairment'' in that time. ''Those > pilots have been impeccable,'' he said. > > > > ROSS > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Dion Stuart Baker > Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2014 5:02 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested to > read opinions > > > > How about changes be made so that colour coding/general systems are > changed so that colour blind people can distinguish between them? Changing > to red/blue would help with 99% of those who are colourblind (the > Protanopia and Deuteranopia affected people, which is upwards of 99% of > colourblind people - Tritanopia is the cause for some 0.001% of people). > > I'd be interested to know how many colour blind pilots are out there - I > think the statistic I heard is 25% of Western males and 10% of the world's > population of males have some severity of colour blindness, although for > many of them it's so slight they don't know - I personally work with a guy > who never knew until he applied for a position in the ADF. > > It's pretty depressing (albeit understandable) when you're automatically > excluded from a slew of jobs because of something you were born with - for > me it was commercial pilot, SAPOL, MFS, half the jobs in the ADF, lab > technician, just to name a few. It's more frusturating when you feel that > being colour blind wouldn't matter, or if a different colour coding system > was used, wouldn't be an issue. > > Just my 2c from a butthurt colourblind guy. > > Dion > > > > On 18 June 2014 11:34, Nelson Handcock <[email protected]> wrote: > > > http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/casa-crackdown-threatens-to-ground-colour-blind-pilots-20140617-3abkg.html > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Nelson Handcock > 0409 149919 > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > -- > sudo apt-get install witty-mail-signature > cannot find package: witty-mail-signature > sudo apt-get install lame-mail-signature > installing ... > > The main idea of "Inception": if you run a VM inside a VM inside a VM > inside a VM, everything will be very, very slow. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140618/4e12915e/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 23:19:51 +1000 > From: Ian Mc Phee <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested > to read opinions > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > caamd4kqumyn9ssv8krmd4qfwok-+3rxnsuks85mcweutz1q...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I believe I read somewhere the pilots that are having a higher proportion > of accidents are those that do not have any colour vision issues. Perhaps > he should have researched why pilots without colour vision issues have more > accidents than the "colour impaired vision Pilots". > > The "thugs from CASA" (not my words) are at it again it would seem. > > Ian McPhee > > > On 18 June 2014 23:00, Gary Stevenson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hmm, > > > > Just fished this back out of my ?delete? box. > > > > > > > > Ross raises a couple of interesting points here, namely: > > > > 1. ?Who is Peter Fereday? ie What is his professional background? How did > > he get to his current position? What are his responsibilities/what does > he > > actually do? > > > > Are there political implications here, and if so what have his masters > > commanded him to do? Is he a ?competent person? ? > > > > > > > > 2. If there are no political implications, what is his > > purpose in raising this (dead???), issue? > > > > > > > > If we do not know the answers to these questions, and in particular to > > Q2, it is somewhat presumptuous to assume ? .....an issue that is > > complete and utter nonsense?. > > > > > > > > This thread basically began with a ?Brisbane Times? news article. Let > me > > make a VERY important point here. In my dealings with the popular media, > > where I have been in full position of the facts, I have NEVER yet seen a > > 100% accurate presentation of those facts by the media! Please keep this > > foremost in your minds. > > > > > > > > The Brisbane Times somewhat vaguely mentions a paper written by Douglas B > > Watson (PMO, NZCA), which (the reporter thinks???), is relevant to his > > article. > > > > > > > > Has anybody FOUND this paper? Is it, in fact relevant? Have they READ it > , > > CONSIDERED it, and come to an opinion? > > > > > > > > It is reported that the AFAP made a submission on the matter. If the BT > > article can be taken at face value, the AFAP submission was very weak. I > > find this somewhat difficult to believe. > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ross McLean > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 June 2014 6:37 PM > > > > *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested > > to read opinions > > > > > > > > Good Grief! > > > > Excluding colour blind pilots just doesn't make any sense at all to me. > > > > It may have once upon a time, before HF and VHF radio communication and > > mobile phones were commonplace and the Tower would give take off and > > landing clearances with Red or Green lights. But that went out with > flying > > goggles and fabric and wood aeroplanes. What is the point? > > > > > > > > I personally have several very long term good friends who are Airline > > Captains with 10's of thousands of hours and long successful aviation > > careers behind them who have always been colour blind. Never seems to > have > > compromised their ability nor the safety of their operations. > > > > > > > > Just who is this "CASA's Industry Permissions Manager Peter Fereday" > > anyway and what is the purpose of raising an issue that is a complete and > > utter nonsense? > > > > > > > > According to the Brisbane Times article quoted below ".....Colour blind > > pilots have been able to co-pilot passenger planes in Australia for the > > past 25 years since two landmark cases in the 1980s at the Administrative > > Appeals Tribunal." Dr Arthur Pape, a pilot who brought one case against > > CASA at that time concisely stated that there was ''not a skerrick of > > evidence to suggest that pilots have made so much as a scratch on an > > aeroplane as a result of colour vision impairment'' in that time. ''Those > > pilots have been impeccable,'' he said. > > > > > > > > ROSS > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dion Stuart > > Baker > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 June 2014 5:02 PM > > *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested > > to read opinions > > > > > > > > How about changes be made so that colour coding/general systems are > > changed so that colour blind people *can* distinguish between them? > > Changing to red/blue would help with 99% of those who are colourblind > (the > > Protanopia and Deuteranopia affected people, which is upwards of 99% of > > colourblind people - Tritanopia is the cause for some 0.001% of people). > > > > I'd be interested to know how many colour blind pilots are out there - I > > think the statistic I heard is 25% of Western males and 10% of the > world's > > population of males have some severity of colour blindness, although for > > many of them it's so slight they don't know - I personally work with a > guy > > who never knew until he applied for a position in the ADF. > > > > It's pretty depressing (albeit understandable) when you're automatically > > excluded from a slew of jobs because of something you were born with - > for > > me it was commercial pilot, SAPOL, MFS, half the jobs in the ADF, lab > > technician, just to name a few. It's more frusturating when you feel that > > being colour blind wouldn't matter, or if a different colour coding > system > > was used, wouldn't be an issue. > > > > Just my 2c from a butthurt colourblind guy. > > > > Dion > > > > > > > > On 18 June 2014 11:34, Nelson Handcock <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/casa-crackdown-threatens-to-ground-colour-blind-pilots-20140617-3abkg.html > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Nelson Handcock > > 0409 149919 > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > > > > > -- > > sudo apt-get install witty-mail-signature > > cannot find package: witty-mail-signature > > sudo apt-get install lame-mail-signature > > installing ... > > > > The main idea of "Inception": if you run a VM inside a VM inside a VM > > inside a VM, everything will be very, very slow. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140618/66445973/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 129, Issue 42 > ******************************************** >
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