Er ....Ron I think you pressed the wrong button old chap...... Stay safe today we want you around.
Sent from my iPad > On 29 Oct 2014, at 05:49, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tanya I could have loved you forever > In spite of the bad beginning we had but you have no compassion , no empathy > you don't want to compromise. You just want is a govt backed pension because > you think it gives you security. In ten years the pension won't even buy you > an ice cream. > > >> On 28 Oct 2014, at 21:24, Bruce Home Email <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You lost me Gary. >> >> I'm following this from a comfortable position on the couch. I wasn't there, >> and don't even know the pilot. But there seems to be an issue with the rules >> to me. >> >> A wise man* once told me that to win, you must be able to fly the next day. >> Seems pretty clear for all but the last day given that points are on offer. >> It is not unreasonable to think that this should apply on the last day too - >> in my opinion. >> >> This might be controversial, but I am aware of a pilot winning the last day >> of a 15m class nationals, and the nationals themselves, after a midair that >> they flew away from (raced away from as I was told) whilst the other pilot >> abandoned. I can also recall some pretty optimistic flying by several pilots >> into the biggest storm I've ever seen at Narromine in about 2001, and ended >> up in extremely difficult retrieve situations due to 125-200mm of rain in >> the paddocks. Several were in no position to fly the next day even though a >> task was possible. The comp director (RIP), faced with a revolt from those >> who weren't ready to fly, did not set a task for three classes, but did for >> 18m. (Shinzo "entered" his D2 in 18m in protest as I recall). Another >> example of a last day skewed by poor airmanship? >> >> Those results stand. So does the Goondiwindi result. But for the future, >> should similar situations be allowed to be repeated? >> >> Why not have a rule that says that after landing/finishing on the last day, >> all gliders must be able to pass a daily inspection? >> >> As tempting as it is, I'm not going to comment on the finish arrangements, >> as I'm not familiar with the detail. >> >> Cheers >> >> Bruce >> >> *PS-I attribute the quote to Terry C (to my best recollection) >> >>> On 28 Oct 2014, at 10:45 pm, "Gary Stevenson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Michael Texler in his post of the evening of 28 Oct, finally “Got It”. >>> >>> Tim has now amplified matters, so that to mis-quote one famous author, >>> “even a schoolboy can understand”. Just a preamble: the point I really want >>> to make is that on that last day when Jim choose to fly on, 2 pilots in >>> Sports Class elected to make quite routine outlandings (into the same >>> paddock apparently), just 7 km from home. As usual their traces are >>> available on Soaring Spot. Names do not need to be mentioned – just look at >>> Sports Class, and then check the outlandings and distances covered to >>> pinpoint the two relevant traces. >>> >>> Tim , you are being a little bit shy in your use of the Oz vernacular. The >>> “Municipal Dunny Man” filled a very valuable and quite unique place in >>> servicing one the essential needs of communities prior to the development >>> of reticulated sewerage systems. So to get the language straight, let me >>> put “shed loads” back into its true blue and dinky di context: “shit-cart >>> full loads”. >>> >>> Further ; >>> For Australian Musical Researchers try Googling “Municipal Dunny Can”. >>> ..... And of course do not overlook that Australian work of great literary >>> worth titled “The Specialist”. For visual art buffs this work was no >>> doubt part inspiration for the 2006 Oz movie “Kenny”. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Gary >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley >>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2014 8:39 PM >>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules... >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Once again a disclaimer: I hold no relevant official position with the >>> GFA. I do have considerable experience as a rulemaker, as a Contest >>> Director, as a Scorer, and as a competition pilot. I speak only for myself. >>> >>> What follows is general clarification about competitions and rules, and is >>> not intended as a comment on any specific incident. >>> >>> Back when I was involved in competition rulemaking, I remember we >>> introduced some principles as a preamble to the rules and on checking I >>> found that most of them are still there: >>> >>> At all times it remains the responsibility of pilots to operate in >>> accordance with the GFA Manual of Standard >>> Procedures and all applicable laws and regulations. >>> Pilots are expected to conduct themselves at all times in the spirit of >>> these rules and in accordance with the practice of good sportsmanship. >>> Safety is at all times the primary consideration. If at any time a pilot >>> feels that the requirements of these rules compromises the safety of their >>> flight then they should take whatever actions are required to ensure the >>> safety of themselves and of other air users. This may include withdrawing >>> from the task or from the competition. >>> Pilots are required to conduct themselves in a manner that will not bring >>> disrepute on the Organisers, the hosting club or the GFA. >>> >>> There is nothing in the competition rules that suspends any laws. There >>> are no exemptions. Pilots flying in a competition are just pilots, and >>> must obey every requirement of the law. They remain fully responsible as >>> Pilots in Command for the conduct of the flight. If they choose to disobey >>> the law or good practice then that is entirely their responsibility. The >>> competition is a game. Flying is not. >>> >>> No one wants to break their glider or themselves, and the rules of the game >>> clearly discourage that by the simple fact that most of the time there is >>> another race tomorrow. You won't get any points from a hospital bed or if >>> your glider is in bits. On the last day, well if there was a million >>> dollars at stake I could imagine that the risk of rolling yourself into a >>> ball might be worth taking for some - but in our game why would anyone >>> break a $100K glider for a bottle of cheap wine and a round of applause? >>> Or even for the opportunity to spend shed loads of their own money >>> representing Australia? >>> >>> If you want to know who is responsible for the safety of a flight where you >>> are the Pilot in Command, take a good look in a mirror. And be very sure >>> of what you see. >>> Cheers >>> Tim Shirley >>> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare >>> On 28/10/2014 2:06 PM, Texler, Michael wrote: >>> The caveat should be in place that the crash was a result of your own poor >>> decision making. >>> >>> Now what constitutes poor decision making is a matter of opinion. >>> >>> Surely competition rules should be in place to discourage crashing: >>> i.e. you crash, you are out of the comp. You pack up and go home. >>> >>> >>> I'll leave it to others more experienced in these matters to give reasons >>> why. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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