> and realised, that phone numbers where really just there for people without those systems to reach them.
Why does non-business consumers have a landline number? Historical leftover from before mobile phones. Why didn't they get rid of it? Because it is linked to their ADSL link. Will I have that landline number in 3/6/12/24/48 months when I get my NBN connection? No. I have zero interest in keeping it, the only reason I have it is because of ADSL. I haven't gotten a (non-spam) fax for ages, I haven't gotten a (non-spam) call for ages. I really would like to see statistics on how many landline numbers have been returned after the move to an NBN infrastructure. Edwin On 2 May 2018 at 13:50, Mattia Rossi <[email protected]> wrote: > Chiming in a bit late, but I agree, numbers do not count anymore. > > a) most people don't remember any number at all. It's saved on the phone > and you dial the name. It's of course also based on the "all inclusive" > cost models > > b) businesses run on VoIP Systems, which are integrated with any form of > address book, presence and instant messaging. Again you dial people, not > numbers. Heck, when you use Skype4Business or Jabber or Circuit or > whatever, most of the time you do not even dial a number, but a sip > address. If federation between the systems is in place, this goes even > beyond the business boundaries > > c) your business number is portable and can be used on any voip/sip > enabled, connected, smart device. I for example wouldn't even need any > mobile number if it wouldn't come with my mobile plan. Calls to friends are > made via Whatsapp or Facebook messenger or more rarely Skype. No numbers > there. Skype4Business is on my mobile, so my Business number is on my > mobile. And I'm available on that number anywhere in the world where I have > Internet connectivity on my phone. But I wouldn't need it either, as I > could receive calls via my SIP identifier (my business email address). No > number needed. > > So my view is: phone numbers are legacy. Back in Switzerland they did a > massive haul over of many businesses in the last 5 years, introducing > modern SIP based Communication (Skype4Business, Circuit, Jabber, Mitel) and > realised, that phone numbers where really just there for people without > those systems to reach them. So what they did, is to move mostly over to > the 058 block, which is geo-independent and derived from a premium number > block (there was some discussion about costs which got solved by the > incumbent who owned the block by eliminating the premium in the end). The > rationale for that was, that nobody would know about the real location of a > number anyway, and geo-dependent numbers would actually make a relocation > of a business unit to another region quite confusing (which over there > happens more often than here in Australia because of much smaller regions). > > It messes with emergency services though, which usually rely on the > geographic identifier of the phone though. > > That's where e112 and friends come into play then. > > Cheers, > > Mat > > On 1/05/2018 8:56 AM, Mark Tees wrote: > > I am kind of wondering if we can get to a stage of complete number > virtualisation. Mainly so when I’m overseas I can more easily direct actual > inbound SMS how I see fit. Have also had the same number for almost 10 > years. At present I hook up an Android phone and send/receive SMS via > email or forwarding with normal call diversion. > > Ideally, I could port my number to a virtual mobile service and receive > calls via SIP of whatever then receive SMS via API calls or email. > > From the carrier VOIP side it would be awesome if we could receive SMS in > a similar fashion as SIP. > > > On Tue, 1 May 2018 at 07:36, Matthew Moyle-Croft <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Previous thread about fake caller ID made me think about what phone >> numbers mean in the Australian context. >> >> Historically we’ve had numbers that are geo based for landlines (02, 03, >> 08 etc) and other numbers that delineate the cost to call (eg. 04 for >> mobile, 13/18 for fixed cost non-geo or free, 1900 for “premium” etc). But >> we’re now looking to a future where a range of factors are meaning that the >> differentiation is less meaningful. >> >> A _lot_ of people are moving, because of generation change, NBN, etc to >> only have a mobile number. Many people are on mobile or “fixed line” plans >> where calls are all-inclusive so knowing the cost of a call from the phone >> number is pretty much irrelevant. My parents and some of my grandparents >> (yes I still have them) basically use mobile only and don’t answer home >> phones *because* of the scams on home phones! I don’t actually know what >> my brothers and sisters home phone numbers are. >> >> There’s still a historic “interconnect” charging model/market between >> telcos that I suspect is just as painful as when I last looked at it. >> >> What is the future for voice and calls in Australia? Do geo-numbers make >> sense? Why shouldn’t I be able to have an 08 xxxx xxxx number as my mobile >> number? (I know the back-end charging/porting reasons, but we’re looking >> forward not backward here). >> >> Even calling internationally - voice calls now between countries are >> generally so awful to use (delay, crappy audio etc) that even for business >> calls I use things like Facetime/Facebook/WhatsApp/Hangout calls where >> the voice is so good and low delay I can’t tell where the other person is >> from. >> >> I suspect nothing much will change and that’s primarily because the major >> telcos with mobile networks want to continue to make money out of charging >> each other for calls, but, even that I suspect will all fade away. >> >> We do get attached to phone numbers - my Australian mobile is one from >> the dawn of GSM in Australia and I’ve had it now for more than 20 years and >> even though I don’t live in Australia at the moment I keep it running on a >> long life prepaid! So, don’t think I lack sentiment here. >> >> MMC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > -- > Regards, > > Mark L. Tees > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing > [email protected]http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > >
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