Hello Jonathan, *,
On Monday 26 September 2005 23:15, Jonathon Coombes wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 15:37 +0200, Thomas Hackert wrote:
> > On Friday 23 September 2005 06:47, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> >
> > although I am not Iain, I have something to comment ... ;)
> >
> > > Does the chapter on using forms in Writer cover XForms?
> >
> > A quick search through the document have not brought up
> > everything ... :(
>
> I doubt it very much, as I am trying to work with xforms in
> OpenOffice.org and am finding great difficulty in any form of
> documentation.

good to know ... ;)

> > > If not, it should!
>
> Agreed. If I get some time, I will try and contribute :)

Good luck then ... :)

<snip>
> > > Unless you think XForms should be covered in
> > > some other chapter?
> >
> > If someone knows how to use it, (s)he should test it before
> > writing something about it ... ;)
>
> I am certainly testing it at the moment. I am working on a
> project that will ultimately define whether the xforms is useful
> as a part of OpenOffice.org or not for large organisations. I
> must say that so far, the thought that has gone into it is very
> good and it does appear to provide distinct advantages over other
> methods. On the downside, it does take some learning and the lack
> of documentation is noticable.

To live is to learn, or not ... ;? And if it is lacking in 
documentation, write some ... "G"

> > > I don't know much about XForms, but my understand is that
> > > they're a really important feature. Or am I completely
> > > confused here?
> >
> > I do not know ... I think, I know less than you about the
> > XForms ... ;)
>
> The xforms are the "next generation" of HTML forms which is what
> is in OOo 1.x series and on the web. The differences are summed
> up as:
>
> * XML-based rather than HTML-based.
> * MVC model - separation of content and display
> * Allows automation using calculations based on XPath
> * Constraints and validation built in to the controls
> * Selectable relevancy of the data items
> * W3C standard (not that HTML forms are not a standard)

Thank you for your explanation (although I have to look up "MVC" or 
"XPath" in the net on Sunday ... :( )!

> As I mentioned, they are difficult to learn, particularly in OOo,
> but once you understand  the power of xforms, they will prove to
> be quite useful. I am designing my project based around xforms to
> not only allow flexibility, scalability and validation, but also
> to make it platform independent. That is, xforms should be able
> to be shifted from OOo onto a suitable web server and still
> function exactly the same as before.

Aha, o.k. ... As I have not used forms by now (I have not needed 
them - maybe later in my life ... ;) ), this is all new to me.

> Hope this helps clear up some details on xforms in OOo as it
> stands.

So let me thank you for your detailed explanation ... :)
Have a nice one
Thomas.

-- 
"There is nothing new under the sun, but there are lots of old 
things we don't know yet."
 -Ambrose Bierce

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