At 03:49 28/3/01 +0200, Leo Simons wrote: >logging cleanup >------ >Avalon/Phoenix needs to move from >dev-oriented debugging to maintainance-oriented (right?). big big big yes !!!! ;) >I'll look into that (since no-one else wants to =). excellent >any comments/wishes/pointers here? I will post what were my thoughts (but I am not sure if they are right ones yet) in a bit (maybe tomorrow). >probably not. I'll leave the subject with a final thought: >one of the biggest problems in software development, or in >fact the technology sector in general, is lack of standards, >whether endorsed by a standards body or de-facto. >Think about power supply plugs, mobile communication >standards, middle-tier solutions, scripting languages, >word processor document formats, hardware drivers, etc, >etc, etc. true but look back in the early days of electricals and I am willing to bet there was a lack of standards then aswell. Software development is an extremely immature field - this will change ... eventually. >Many separate open source projects would be more productive >and useful if they worked together more often. The reason >this does not happen is indeed neatly summarised in Peter's >e-mail sig...I try to not belong to "almost everyone" >whenever I can. And find out whether a mind should be >changed the most productive way possible. There is that and there is another reason aswell I believe. It is often the case that cooperation requires high-bandwidth communication (or at least solid documentation). In many cases the cost of communication is greater than the benefit you receive from cooperating. (at least when working on moving targets which we almost all are 8-O). To get reuse we need to break apart the products and work on them in a more granular fashion. The commons project just started is an attempt to do this. >> >- we offer more logging features to people building on top >> >of Avalon. >> >> What features from Log4j would you like to see? > >- configurable support for e-mailing of logs. I actually have a few of these (aswell as ICQ/IRC/jabber notification) except I am not sole copyright owner so can't contrib them ;( If there is a real need I could rewrite them... unless someone else wants to do it ;) >- user manual. ahh yes - that would be nice *) >While we're at it, I'd like to have support for sending >logs to another app. (Reason: I'm looking into building a >management console for Avalon (perhaps even writing JMX 3 cheers for Leo !!!! ;) You do that and I will promise you Berins first born ;) >support, but I don't think I'm up to it), which should >have a "log" pane). No idea how simple this is at the >moment, btw. Actually I already added simple udp/syslog (bsd/unixes distributed logging protocol) support yesterday ;) It would be easy enough to add support for other distributed protocols. BTW: I am actually currently working on a syslog type deamon. Collects logs/events from multiple different sources - some distributed and then writes them to a destination (ie rolling logs in cycles or another computer or two system console ot to email whatever). It is just a toy system at the moment - but it could work out ;) Cheers, Pete *-----------------------------------------------------* | "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof." | | - John Kenneth Galbraith | *-----------------------------------------------------* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
