It seems that the 4.0 release of Avalon omits a bunch of material that was provided in previous releases; I've found docs e.g. at jesktop.org that refer to <avalon-root>/apps directories and <avalon-root>/bin/run scripts. I've downloaded and built Avalon 4.0, but it just leaves me with a jar, which isn't terribly exciting. What I would really like is a release of Phoenix, but I suppose it's still too pre-alpha. I think it would be useful if the Avalon release included phoenix and a "Hello World" .sar as a starting point, or at least if the readme supplied an URL for a sample implementation. Also, has anyone noticed that the 4.0 release download link from the Jakarta binary releases page is broken? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]