> From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> > From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just went to redo the excalibur projects documentation and
> > found that it is
> > extremely complex to setup and use. You have to go download a
> > 14MB file and
> > do all sorts of munging to get things working and it is in no
> > way shape or
> > easy. Even then it spits out mountains of debug and warnings
> > about things
> > that I am not using etc.
> >
> > Compare this to Anakia
> >
> > <taskdef name="anakia"
> > classname="org.apache.velocity.anakia.AnakiaTask"/>
> >
> > <anakia basedir="${xdocs.src}" destdir="${docs.dir}/"
> >         extension=".html"
> >         style="./site.vsl"
> >         projectFile="stylesheets/project.xml"
> >         includes="**/*.xml"
> >         lastModifiedCheck="true"
> >         templatePath="my/path/stylesheets" >
> > </anakia>
> 
> I hear your pain.  Cocoon also has heard the cry, and is working
> on making a minimal solution that does not have a 14 MB chunk to
> download. 

If I can participate in discussion...

Cocoon itself takes one floppy; the rest are Avalon, Xerces, Xalan,
Batik and FOP. I see that Xerces and Xalan already part of Avalon, and
Avalon itself is obviously present. If you want SVG and/or PDF, Batik
and FOP adds 3.8Mb.

This sums up to adding one floppy of Cocoon JARs to the Avalon CVS, and
not a 14Mb chunk...

Hope I did not missed the point here.

Vadim

> In essence they are wanting to componentize web applications
> so that you have the Cocoon core, and whatever component you need.
>
> For us, this would be the Jakarta styling component....
> 
> The process is not finished yet, and may take some time.
> 
> Here is the bottom line:
> 
> 1) Cocoon is a powerful concept--esp. for dynamic information.
> 2) Cocoon is very heavy for the command line.
> 3) All we need is XSLT and FOP--we have defined "pipelines"
> 
> For the short term, I would not be offended if we used the
> <style/> tag for straight XSLT transformations (our resulting
> info would be pretty much XHTML 1.0 compliant (except we may have
> some additional tags...)
> 
> We could theorhetically generate the PDF by directly invoking
> FOP to generate it.  For our HTML docs, this approach would be
> the least painful.


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