Avaloners, I active in the JAMES list andthink I could use some help. Particularly from those with Zen level patterns thinking. Charles is inactive on JAMES nowadays and the survivors from the early days and newer committers are mulling a replacement API for 'maillets'. They are erring towards avoiding the Avalon-Framework intefaces altogether, and defining their own all-encompasing API. I feel the redesign is need because the current one is not very SoC or IoC. I think a grave mistake is about to be made with the uber-API A mistake that includes a new logger abstraction. My own feeling is that the Avalon-Framework interfaces are compatible and desirable for any component being hosted by a container to an API.Clearly, at least one more interface is needed to handle the mail-request processing, but all the other A-F interfaces are pertinent. Please if anyone can spare the time, could they pop over and help defend Avalon (project), the Avalon-Framework interfaces and the Avalon-Phoenix container (less under threat). Regards, - Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>