On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 04:34, Peter Donald wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:45, Pete Carapetyan wrote:
> > Peter Royal wrote:
> > >Having worked with Phoenix (*and* Cocoon/ECM) I came to the understanding
> > >that you and Stephen are promoting the correct solution. And the common
> > >metainfo discussions are the path that we should be persuing with vigor at
> > >the moment.
> > >
> > >I'm just not as good as you at the clever and sarcastic explanations
> >
> > I can't figure out if you guys are all just young where it doesn't hurt
> > yet, or I have just become too tender,

In dinosaurs, thick skin comes with age...anyways....

> > The phrase someone laid on me, I think, is *ad hominum* which describes
> > the making of a personal attack as a part of the discussion. 

yup, sounds like OSS development alright. The good part is that the
attack is at least in the open (in Real Life(tm), it often is not) for
everyone to judge. (go ahead, be judge, shout back: THAT IS NOT A FAIR
COMMENT. They'll probably admit it.)

> Anyways most of us have been around long enough to know that no offense is 
> intended - however it is probably not so obvious to newer people ;)

exactly. Can remember first discussion Pete and Berin got into about all
this when I was new here - pretty scary, that was.

I think you will also notice that the mudslinging, when it happens, is
between the developers that have been around a bit longer, and know each
other. Most OSS projects try and be very careful of their "newbies", as
doing so is vital to the project.

FA, one of our more recent joinees, Nicola Ken (sorry to make an example
of ya ;), who has also dared to participate in this, heated, thread, has
not had to deal with 'personal attacks' of any kind.

Even recognizing all this, I also find it very annoying that discussion
indeed sometimes becomes more than argumentative. But when you've got
Ozzies, French, and worse (:-P), well, that's the way it has to be, I
guess.

cheers,

- Leo



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