> > Could anybody familiar with the Wakesoft Architecture Server
> > provide comments, opinions or flames regarding this framework?
> > I'm particularly interested in comparisons between this thing
> > and other frameworks, including Avalon.
> >
> > Just in case: http://www.wakesoft.com/
>
> I wasn't able to get to the meat of this framework - I kept encountering
> marketese, white papers, user reports, case studies ... arg!

Peter, thanks for taking the time to write that very enlightening reply!
I'm asking about Wakesoft because in one of the projects I work for, a
consultant who is usually well respected seems to be pretty excited
about this framework; I fail to see its virtues, but before dismissing
it I wanted to get other opinions.

> If source is generated the framework can either;
> a. Require you to subclass things to get functionality (like
> torque allowing
> subclasses of objects)
> b. Require you to modify generated code
>
> My personal preference is to avoid (b) at all costs because it is hard to
> evolve and is basically "wizards" from MS world of development.

Same here.

> Sun has one of these frameworks, I believe Oracle has one. There
> is also a
> large number of opensource ones. One that someone has recommended to me is
> http://www.javanovic.com/ which I think is a Struts centric
> version of this.

Will check it.

> The worst development project I worked on used a similar toolkit
> that provide
> to be inflexible - which resulted in us doing 4-5 times more work
> than if we
> coded it up ourselves.

Would you care to share with us the name of that toolkit?
Or maybe via a direct message to me?

> In contrast, the best project I worked on used a similar toolkit
> and it saved us massive amounts of time.

Same thing for this: could you share the toolkit name?

> My last 4.5 projects have used a MDA style
> approach at least for certain aspects of the system and mostly
> worked well
> but we customized each model to specific domain.

Was this using any specific framework or tools? In fact, I'm
curious: I assume you use Avalon for most/all your projects;
other than that, what libraries, frameworks and tools (open
source or not) do you usually use?

> Anyways this sort of framework is othogonal to Avalon. In fact
> Avalon may be a
> target of that framework (or it could use EJB SessionBeans). If
> you want to
> see how I think it should be done; search back through the Avalon mailing
> list for "Attribute Driven Development" and "Model Driven Development". A
> couple of weeks ago I was yammering on about it ;)

I'm reading those threads right now. Thanks a lot for the feedback.

> Peter Donald
> *------------------------------------------------*
> | You can't wake a person who is pretending      |
> |       to be asleep. -Navajo Proverb.           |
> *------------------------------------------------*

Love the sayings as well!


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