Paul Hammant wrote:
I feel I have to say this. This whole affair has got me so depressed today.
:,-(
I agree with you, and I want to stress point 3.1) I object to people dictating changes to projects I work on, that they do not. 2) People are welcome to contribute, but they should (IMHO) tread slowly at first, and earn the respect of the preestablished committers for that group. 3) Avalon is a collection of separate-interest projects. It is an anomaly that it happens to have a single "yes you are a committer" invite.
If Avalon were a single project, 1 and 2 would be automatic, since a committer has done them to earn his status.
Since it's not the case, and IMHO it's an anomaly not documented anywhere AFAIK, we should decide what is best for us to do.
Making a PMC, starting the new Avalon codebase from scratch, moving stuff to Apache Commons, and possibly spinning off projects where is makes sense are all things that try to address it.
If Phoenix had been a separate project, if we kept the new comtainers as proposals instead of kicking them "live" as indipendent stuff, if if if, probably many of these problems we are facing now wouldn't have even started.
If the boat is sinking IMHO, and I have never worked on the failing part, and the one that caters for it is IMHO making it worse, I would definately go and try to make it work.I believe these things. I am not going to change my mind. I apply 1 & 2 everywhere I go. I see it currently informally applied here (but under threat). It is the OSS coding equiv of "do unto others as you would have done unto you" (This 'the golden rule' is Pre-Christian and cross religion for the record).
But Avalon has stopped being a single boat since a long time...
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