Re: Charter.txt

[Stefano Mazzocchi]

Berin Loritsch wrote:

From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Stephen McConnell wrote:

Peter Donald wrote:

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:59, Berin Loritsch wrote:

Stephen has already made clear his dislike of the word

"unanimous",

but before we blindly remove that word, we need to come

to community

consensus.

I am +1 on unanimous because it forces consensus for

forward motion.

It may mean things take longer to get decided but usually the decisions are better for it.

And thereby grant the right to a single individual to block

progress.

That takes away the ability of the PMC to function. If when

you take

away it ability to function you have taken away its ability

to represent

the comunity and its ability to meet its obligations to the board.

I wonder if I'm the only one who feels that you two guys want to engineer the Avalon charter to route around one another.

Are you referring to Stephen and I?

No, I'm referring to Mr. Peter Donald and Mr. Stephen McConnell

That is not the case.

I know, dude, I know, don't worry.

We
both feel burned by events in the past, and neither of us wants
the same mistake to repeat itself.

Yes. This is the case for you. But I don't perceive this being the case for the relationship between these two gentlemen.

It seems (at least to me) that Peter likes the fact to be able to 'block' directions that he doesn't like. And Stephen hates the fact that he has the power to do that because he feels that he's going to do it.

I find *this* something so disruptive that no voting rule can possible heal it.

Reminds me of the Tomcat 3.x vs. 4.x mess where Costin and Craig hated each other. Now that both are gone, Tomcat is going to be finally unified.

Do we have to reach that point or you two are smart enough to understand the value of cooperation?

That's what I'm worried about, not some stupid voting rules.

> I believe we both have

valid points, and I proposed what I think is a valid compromise.
Hopefully Stephen will agree to that middle ground.

Anyway, I find it funny that even if your name was not mentionned, you felt attacked :) We call that 'coda di paglia' in italian :-) [that would be translated as 'straw tail' in english, but I'm sure it doesn't make sense to you]

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