> From: Andrzej Jan Taramina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Berin responds:
> 
> > The Phoenix container uses JMX to control specific components
> > that expose a JMX interface.  There are two realities that need
> > to be controlled in CBD (Component Based Design):  not all
> > components are controllers, and some components are too small
> > to be exposed like that.
> > 
> > The components that are there to control a subsystem, or provide
> > interaction with an administrator, or administrating system (as
> > in your example), are candidates for the components that need
> > to be exposed by JMX.  Some components only exist to do work under
> > the control of a master component.  Those components really should
> > not be exposed to the administrator.
> 
> Of course, you should only expose components that need management 
> exposure using JMX. You're preaching to the converted here, Berin. ;-)
> 
> What I was hoping to get some opinions on was how JMX fits 
> into the Avalon 
> architecture....some "best practices" if you will.
> 
> For example:  Should JMX support be just another component 
> (so you would 
> have a JMX MBean Server component, JMX Agent components and of 
> course, MBeans exposed by application components) that plugs into an 
> Avalon Container?  Or shoud some level of JMX support be 
> "built-in" to the 
> Container itself.....and maybe even into the Avalon Framework (as an 
> "optional" module/interface of course)?

The Phoenix approach builds JMX integration and generation into the
kernel/container layer.  The exposed MBeans interact with the components
inside the container.

I think that is a reasonable way of doing it.  If you don't want a 
container that performs those functions, then that facility is removed
from the system easily.

> Pros/Cons for these approaches?  

Anything that reduces the amount of coding that Avalon users have
to do the better.



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