hi,all The Excalibur-4.1 use LogKit ,I feel that this is a big fault in all avalon project for me.Almost all my project already using Log4J,and now How can I use Log4J in Excalibur-4.1 sub project ECM and so on... thanks ---------------- /|/| | -''/"',___,,--''"`-,_ `6_ 6 ) `-, ( ),`-.__.`) /_Y_./',, _ ) `._ `,``-..-' _.'.`=' _ / / --'_.',' (il)' (li)'' ((!-' [EMAIL PROTECTED] 86-571-85022088-3019