Thanks.

Am Die, 2003-01-14 um 14.17 schrieb Ulrich Mayring:
> Christoph Begall wrote:
> >
> > Some sample questions I would like to learn about:
> > - What is Phoenix, Merlin and Fortress, are they essentially the same,
> >   are they all containers? If so which one should I choose?
> 
> Phoenix is the only one that is released, which one has the features you 
> need depends on the features you need :)
OK, I have looked around there (avalon phoenix) and some html there.
Is there something like a general introduction like the
developing-with-avalon.pdf? Or could I build one from the current CVS?

Still I am curious: Who or what is merlin and Fortress?

> > - From the things I read on the mailing list it seems to me, that I
> >   could package a component (a block?) in a jar, just like a webapp
> >   for tomcat. Is that right? How do I do that?
> 
> For Phoenix: you end up with a foo.sar file, which is the equivalent to 
> Tomcat's WAR webapp. I suggest you check out jakarta-avalon-apps, it has 
> a couple of demo SARs, which will get you started
That is very interesting although not really what I wanted: The idea
would be to build a server, that would be able to manage some sort of
Servlets. (The protocol is something like VJP (which does not really
exist at the moment), I would like to build VJPDaemon, which would use
this protocol over IP and would launch/start/execute one or more VJPlet.
This one I would develop a sar (What dows this stand for?)

It would be good to be able to register new such VJPlets or exchange
them at runtime. As this is something that tomcat does I thought
maybe there is already some component which would do such things.

I will try learning about phoenix.

> > - If I wrote some kind of network daemon, using TCP/IP connections
> >   I could use lots of stuff in excalibur. How can I establish a kind
> >   of architecture where some of the classes can be reloaded into the
> >   system without stopping the daemon?
> 
> Phoenix offers a deploy/undeploy semantic, so you could have many apps 
> running under one instance of Phoenix and selectively undeploy/deploy a 
> single app. Of course, when an app is undeployed it's not running 
> anymore, so that is probably not what you're looking for.
> 
> In my mind it's inherently unsafe to mess with the classloader, when 
> you're running under a restricted environment such as an application 
> server like Phoenix, but maybe others can tell you something more.
Thank you very much again.
I will have a deeper look into phoenix and the demos.

Christoph.
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Christoph Begall, happy do be here


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