On 4/3/2014 2:23 AM, Jim Graham wrote:
Hi Alexandr,The back and forth is getting confusing here, so I thought I'd try to summarize and start fresh(ish):1. We need to support @2x internally for MacOS compatibility (done). 2. We will need to support _DPI images for Win-DPI compatibility (TBD).3. Customers may have their own collection of images to bundle together into an MR image (working on that here). What is the push for this? Is this simply parity with Mac interfaces?
----------Image[] resolutionVariants = // get sorted by sizes array of resolution variants; Image mrImage = Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit().createMRImage(baseImageIndex, resolutionVariants);
---------- Here is the proposed patch: http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~alexsch/8029339/webrev.04/
4. Customers may want to synthetically generate images at arbitrary resolutions (a variation that is impacting this solution). What is the push for this?
----------Image mrImage = Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit().createMRImage(baseImageWidth, baseImageHeight, new float[][]{{100, 100}, {150, 150}, {200, 200}}, // resolution variants sizes (rvWidth, rvHeight) -> { /* generate a resolution variant */ });
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5. I'm guessing that customers might want to override the logic to choose from among multiple resolutions. That came from me based on seeing Mac and Win using different selection logic and our history of developers split between those wanting cross-platform consistency and those wanting consistency with native apps on each platform. Also, the needs of an animator may differ from the needs of a resolution-settable-document editor as to how dynamically the images shift between resolution variants.
----------Image[] resolutionVariants = // get sorted by sizes array of resolution variants;
Image mrImage = ImageResolutionHelper.createMRImage((rvWidth, rvHeight, resolutionVariants) -> { /*use a custom logic to choose a resolution variant from an array of images*/}, (logicalDPI, baseImageSize, destImageSize) -> destImageSize, // calculate the custom aware resolution variant size
baseImageIndex, resolutionVariants); ----------or just extend the CustomMultiResolutionImage which has Image as the parent class:
--------------------public class CustomMultiResolutionImage extends AbstractMultiResolutionImage {
@Overridepublic Image getResolutionVariant(float logicalDPIX, float logicalDPIY,
float baseImageWidth, float baseImageHeight, float destImageWidth, float destImageHeight) { // return a resolution variant based on the given logical DPI, // base image size, or destination image size } @Override public List<Image> getResolutionVariants() { // return a list of resolution variants } @Override protected Image getBaseImage() { // return the base image } } --------------------
Is that a fair summary of all of the considerations so far, or did I miss something?
I think it should cover the main needs. Thanks, Alexandr.
...jim On 3/27/14 7:43 AM, Alexander Scherbatiy wrote:Below are some thoughts about TK.createMRImage(...) method On 3/24/2014 4:52 PM, Alexander Scherbatiy wrote:Hello, Could you review the updated fix: http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~alexsch/8029339/webrev.03/ - baseImageWidth/Height arguments are added to the getResolutionVariant(...) method - dest image sizes are reverted to included DPI scale - AbstractMultiResolutionImage is added. It needs only to implement only 3 methods from the AbstractMultiResolutionImage class to create a custom multi-resolution image. For example: On 3/22/2014 3:57 AM, Jim Graham wrote:Your code example below can be expressed as an implementation of the single-method, lambda-compatible interface that expresses just the getRV() method. They could easily do: final Image baseImage = ...; TK.createMRImage(new RVInterface() { public Image getRV(...) { // calculate rvWidth and rvHeight // look up rvWidth/rvHeight in a database of images // possibly contruct a new image return rvImage; } }, baseImage);The RVInterface mixes the logic that construct an image and chooses the necessary resolution variant. It is ok if a developer always implements this interface. If it needs to have DPI/Transform/Platform aware RVInterface the image construction logic should be separated. Does TK.createMRImage() method implies that Platform aware logic should be used for a resolution-variant choosing? If so, may be general createMRImage() can be placed in the ImageResolutionHelper.The main issue I see is if you might want the newly constructed variants to appear in the List returned from the getVariants() method. I'm not sure what value that would have beyond simply returning the base media that the object uses from which to construct its variants...?It can be solved by using something like array of image sizes or other seeds and a mapper that can create an image from the given seed. It can look like: ------------------------- public class ImageResolutionHelper { public interface RVChooser { public Image getRV( float logicalDPIX, float logicalDPIY, float baseImageWidth, float baseImageHeight, float destImageWidth, float destImageHeight, final Image... resolutionVariants); } public static final RVChooser DPI_AWARE = ...; public static final RVChooser TRANSFORM_AWARE = ...; // resolutionVariants is an array of sorted by width/height images static Image createMRImage(final RVChooser rvChooser, final int baseImageIndex, final Image... resolutionVariants) { ... } // sorted by width/height images should be generated from seeds static <Type> Image createMRImage(final RVChooser rvChooser, final Type baseImageSeed, final Function<Type, Image> mapper, final Type... rvSeeds) {...} } public abstract class Toolkit { public abstract Image createMRImage(int baseImageIndex, Image... resolutionVariants); // Platform aware rv chooser is used public abstract RVChooser getPlatformRVChooser() ; } -------------------------- Thanks, Alexandr.I think it is better to provide both the MultiResolutionImage andits implementation based on the given resolution variants array.It occurs to me that even if we don't go with a lambda-factory-based approach like what I'm describing, it might make sense to provide a baseMR implementation that they can subclass to keep them from trying to subclass off of BufferedImage instead. I really would like to avoid "custom MR images are subclasses of BufImg" if we can as I think the mix of concepts is a little jarring... ...jimThe implementation could look like: --------------------------------- public class CustomMultiResolutionImage extends Image implements MultiResolutionImage { int baseImageIndex; Image[] resolutionVariants; public CustomMultiResolutionImage(int baseImageIndex, Image... resolutionVariants) { this.baseImageIndex = baseImageIndex; this.resolutionVariants = resolutionVariants; } @Override public int getWidth(ImageObserver observer) { return getBaseImage().getWidth(null); } @Override public int getHeight(ImageObserver observer) { return getBaseImage().getHeight(null); } @Override public ImageProducer getSource() { return getBaseImage().getSource(); } @Override public Graphics getGraphics() { return getBaseImage().getGraphics(); } @Override public Object getProperty(String name, ImageObserver observer) { return getBaseImage().getProperty(name, observer); } @Override public Image getResolutionVariant(float logicalDPIX, float logicalDPIY, float destinationImageWidth, float destinationImageHeight) { // calculate resolution variant width/height return getResolutionVariant(rvWidth, rvHeight); } @Override public List<Image> getResolutionVariants() { return Arrays.asList(resolutionVariants); } private Image getResolutionVariant(float rvWidth, float rvHeight) { // return a resolution variant based on the given width and height } private Image getBaseImage() { return resolutionVariants[baseImageIndex]; } } --------------------------------- Thanks, Alexandr.Then we provide one of these from TK.get/createImage() when the platform detects @2x, or Win8-style variants. For custom images we provide TK.createMRImage(lambda getRV, Image variants...) and TK.createMRImage(Image variants...); Since the get<List> method is just bookkeeping, I don't see themneeding to override it, so the getRV() method is really the only thingthey might want to override, and we can tie into the new Lambda capabilities by making a single-method interface for it that they supply in a factory method.I realize that the interface you created is more fundamentally OO, butthe Image class has always been special in this regard in the AWT ecosystem (in so far as we do not support someone implementing theirown Image subclass even though it is technically possible). Because ofthis special nature of Image, we end up with the situation that if someone were given a need to create a subclass of Image, then they would turn to BufImg as their superclass even though BufImg is essentially an implementation-specific leaf node on the Image classhierarchy. This approach with a factory method to create an internalsubclass of the new MRI class mirrors the existing cases of Image objects that come from factories as well. Thoughts? ...jim On 3/20/14 7:52 AM, Alexander Scherbatiy wrote:Hello, Could you review the updated version of the fix: http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~alexsch/8029339/webrev.01/ - The "getResolutionVariant(int width, int height)" method from MultiResolutionImage class is changed toImage getResolutionVariant(float logicalDPIX, float logicalDPIY,float width, float height, AffineTransform transform); - sun.awt.image.ImageResolutionHelper class is added. The sun.awt.image.MultiResolutionToolkitImage and sun.awt.image.MultiResolutionBufferedImage classes are used PLATFORM ImageResolutionHelper.The MultiResolutionImage interface implementation could look like:------------------------------ public class CustomMultiResolutionImage extends BufferedImage implements MultiResolutionImage { private final Image[] resolutionVariants; public CustomMultiResolutionImage(int baseIndex, Image... images) { super(images[baseIndex].getWidth(null), images[baseIndex].getHeight(null), BufferedImage.TYPE_INT_RGB); this.resolutionVariants = images; Graphics g = getGraphics(); g.drawImage(images[baseIndex], 0, 0, null); g.dispose(); } @Override public Image getResolutionVariant(float logicalDPIX, float logicalDPIY,float width, float height, AffineTransform transform) {return getResolutionVariant(logicalDPIX * width, logicalDPIY * height); } @Override public List<Image> getResolutionVariants() { return Arrays.asList(resolutionVariants); }public Image getResolutionVariant(double width, double height) {for (Image image : resolutionVariants) { if (width <= image.getWidth(null) && height <= image.getHeight(null)) { return image; } } return this; } } ------------------------------ Thanks, Alexandr. On 2/27/2014 4:54 PM, Alexander Scherbatiy wrote:On 2/22/2014 3:54 AM, Jim Graham wrote:The NSImage has addRepresentation/removeRepresentation methods toHi Alexandr, On 2/18/14 7:33 AM, Alexander Scherbatiy wrote:Hi Jim, Let's divide the discussion into two part. 1. Where it is better to hold resolution variants? Putting resolution variants in Image class brings some questions like: - Some type of images do not need to have resolution variants - Should resolution variants have the same type as the base image? - getResolutionVariants() method can return copy of the original list so add/removeRV methods should be also added. There are pros and cons for placing resolution variants to Image class or to a separate intreface.I agree that this could be a separate interface. In my examples below I was just sticking them inside an "Image{}" to show where theylived in the set of involved objects, not a specific recommendationthat they actually be new methods on the base class itself. I probably should have put a comment there about that. With respect to add/remove - that is assuming a need for manualconstruction of an image set, right? Forgive me if I'm forgettingsomething, but I seem to recall that manual Multi-Res images was proposed as a way for developers to introduce @2x support themselves, but if we are internally managing @2x and -DPI variants for them, then I'm not sure if there is actual developer need to manually construct their own. Am I forgetting something?work with image representations on Mac OS X.The java.awt.Image class should provide similar functionality tohave the possibilities as Cocoa on HiDPI displays.There should be a way to choose a resolution variant based on2. Using scale factor/image sizes/scaled image sizes to retreive a resolution variant. May be it is better to have a structure that provide all necessary information to query the resolution variant: scale factor, draw area width/height, transformed area width/height? For example: --------------------- public interface MultiResolutionImage { interface DrawAreaInfo { float getScaleFactor(); float getAreaWidth(); float getAreaHeight(); float getTransformedAreaWidth(); float getTransformedAreaHeight(); } public Image getResolutionVariant(DrawAreaInfo drawAreaInfo) ; public List<Image> getResolutionVariants(); } ---------------------The problem with a constructor is that this is something that is (potentially) done on every drawImage() call, which means we are inviting GC into the equation. If we can come up with a simple "just a couple/3/4 numbers" way to embed that data into a method call argument list then we can make this lighter weight.What about simply having floating point (double) dimensions on therendered sizerequested drawing size or transformed drawing size. At least a current transformation should be included too.plus a single floating point "logical DPI" for the screen?There is the ID2D1Factory::GetDesktopDpi method which returns dpiX and dpiY. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/dd371316 That means that logicalDPIX/Y can have different values. At least it is described in the http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/ff684173 "To get the DPI setting, call the ID2D1Factory::GetDesktopDpi method. The DPI is returned as two floating-point values, one for the x-axis and one for the y-axis. In theory, these values can differ. Calculate a separate scaling factor for each axis." The getResolutionVariant method could look like: -------------------------------------- public Image getResolutionVariant(float logicalDPIX, float logicalDPIY,float widthX, float widthY, AffineTransform transform);--------------------------------------The aim is to provide a base class that can be used to create aIf the image is known (either passed as an argument or the method is called on the image), then it can provide the original WH.The MultiResolutionImage default implementation could allow to use different strategies like scale factor/transfom/OS based to query a resolution variant. The OS based strategy can be used by default.For Mac policy, all we need is the transformed dimensions, which canbe passed in as FP for generality. For Windows policy, all we needis logical DPI for the screen. What other information would we need, or would an algorithm like to use, that can't be computed from those 2 pieces?MultiResolutionImage like:http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk9/client/jdk/diff/ae53ebce5fa3/src/share/classes/sun/awt/image/MultiResolutionBufferedImage.javaA developer should be able to implement a custom algorithm to query a resolution variant. It can be done by overriding the getResolutionVariant image: ----------------------- Image mrImage = new MultiResolutionBufferedImage(){ @Override public Image getResolutionVariant(...) { // Custom logic here } }; ----------------------- Or it can be done by using resolution variant choosers so a developer can implement custom resolution variant query: ----------------------- public class MultiResolutionBufferedImage implements MultiResolutionImage{ interface ResolutionVariantChooser{ Image getResolutionVariant(dpi, size,..., List<Image> resolutionVariants); } ResolutionVariantChooser TRANSFORM_BASED = null; ResolutionVariantChooser DPI_BASED = null; ResolutionVariantChooser rvChooser; @Override public Image getResolutionVariant(dpi, size,...,) { return rvChooser.getResolutionVariant(dpi, size,..., getResolutionVariants()); } } ----------------------- Thanks, Alexandr....jimThanks, Alexandr. On 2/13/2014 4:42 AM, Jim Graham wrote:On 2/12/14 5:59 AM, Alexander Scherbatiy wrote:On 2/8/2014 4:19 AM, Jim Graham wrote:The primary thing that I was concerned about was the presence of integers in the API when Windows uses non-integer multiplesIt would make sense to pass real numbers to the getResolutionVariant() method if the difference between resolution variants sizes is 1. It seems that it is not a common case.I was thinking of other API that is related to this, such as the APIthat queries the scaling factor from a SurfaceManager. I seem toremember some integer return values in that, but Windows might have the answer 1.4 or 1.8, depending on the screen scaling factor that was determined from the UI. In terms of the getResolutionVariant() method here, those non-integer screen scaling factors don't directly impact this API. But, we have some issues with the use of integers there from other sources:- That API assumes that the caller will determine the pixel size needed, but the actual media choice is determined with different techniques on Mac and Windows so this means that the caller willhaveto worry about platform conventions. Is that the right tradeoff?- The technique recommended for Mac involves computing the precisesize desired using the current transform, which may be a floatingpoint value, so the integer values used in this API are already approximations and there is no documentation on how to generate theproper integer. In particular, the current code in SG2D naivelyusesa cast to integer to determine the values to supply which means atransformed size of W+0.5 will be truncated to W and the lower resolution image will be used. Does that conform to Mac guidelines? Do they require the truncated size to reach W+1 before the next size is used? Passing in float or double values would sidestep all of that since then the comparisons would be done with full precision, but as long as we can determine a "best practices compatible with allplatforms" rule on how to round to integers, then integers are OKthere. - The Windows document you cite below suggests that the determinationshould be made by looking at the Screen DPI and choosing the nexthigher media variant based on that screen DPI. They do not specify choosing media based on the current transform as is done for Mac. If we stick with supplying values that are used to determine which media to use, then on Windows we should not take the transform into account, but instead query the SurfaceManager for the scale factor and only transform by those values (even if the current transform was manually overridden to identity). There are pros and cons to both approaches. Mac ensures that you are always using the best media for any given render operation. But, Windows ensure more consistency in the face of other scaling.The thing to consider is that if you have a 500x500 image with a1000x1000 variant and you rendering it at 500x500 and then 501x501, that first jump will be fairly jarring as the scaled version of the1000x1000 will not look precisely like the original 500x500 did.With @2x images only, this effect is minimized so the advantage of always using "the best media for a given render operation" may outweigh theinconsistency issue. But, on Windows where the media are 1.4x or1.8xin size, a downscaled image will start to show more interpolationnoise and so the balance of the two choices may shift more towards not wanting a jarring shift. We might want one or more of the following:- Developer chooses policy (TX_AWARE, DPI_AWARE, ALWAYS_LARGEST,NONE, PLATFORM) where the last policy would use TX_AWARE on Mac and DPI_AWARE on Windows - We create our own policy and always use it (TX_AWARE? or DPI_AWARE?) - We create our own policy that dynamically chooses one of the above strategies depending on platform or available media or ???- We could create an optional interface for them to install theirown algorithm as well. I think it would work best as a delegate interface that one installs into Image so that it can be used with any image without having to subclass (it wouldn't really have much to do for BufferedImages or VolatileImages, though): class Image { void setResolutionHelper(ImageResolutionHelper foo); List<Image> getResolutionVariants(); } or: class Graphics { void setResolutionHelper(ImageResolutionHelper foo); }or - anywhere else it could be installed more centrally (per Appcontext)?and the interface would be something like one of these variants:interface ImageResolutionHelper { // This version would prevent substituting a random image:// They have to return an index into the List<Image> for thatimage... public int chooseVariant(Image img, double dpi, number w, number h); or:// This version would allow substituting an arbitrary image:public Image getVariant(Image img, double dpi, number w, number h); } Since they would be in full control of the policy, though, we would unfortunately always have to call this, there would be no more testing in SG2D to see "if" we need to deal with DPI, though perhaps we coulddocument some internal conditions in which we do not call it for common cases (but that would have to be well agreed not to get inthe way of reasonable uses of the API and well documented)?Note that we would have to do a security audit to make sure thatrandom image substitution couldn't allow any sort of "screen phishing" exploit. ...jimand also what policy they use for choosing scaled images. I don't see a mention of taking the current transform into account,just physical issues like screen DPI and form factor. They talkabout resolution plateaus and in their recommendations section they tell the developer to use a particular property that tells them the screen resolution to figure out which image to load if they are loading manually. There is no discussion about dynamically loading multiple versions of the image based on a dynamic program-applied transform factor as is done on MacOS. Also, they tell developers to draw images to a specific size ratherthan using auto-sizing. That begs the question as to how they interpret a call to draw an image just using a location in thepresence of various DPI factors.There is an interesting doc that describes how to write DPI-aware Win32 applications:http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd464646%28v=vs.85%29.aspxIt is suggested to handle WM_DPICHANGED message, load thegraphicthat has slightly greater resolution to the current DPI and useStretchBlt to scale down the image. Thanks, Alexandr....jim On 2/7/14 3:00 AM, Alexander Scherbatiy wrote:On 1/22/2014 6:40 AM, Jim Graham wrote:Hi Alexander, Before we get too far down the road on this API, I think we understandthe way in which MacOS processes multi-resolution images forHiDPIscreens, but have we investigated the processes that Windowsuses under Windows 8? My impression is that Windows 8 has included anumber of new techniques for dealing with the high resolutiondisplays that it will run on in the Windows tablet and mobile industries and that these will also come into play as 4K displays (already available)become more common on the desktop. We should make sure thatwhat we come up with here can provide native compatibility with either platform's policies and standard practices. If you've investigated the MS policies I'd like to see a summary so that we can consider them as we review this API...There is the Windows Guidelines for scaling to pixel density:http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh465362.aspxwhich says that Windows has automatic resource loading that supports three version of images scaling (100%, 140%, and 180%) -------------------------------- Without scaling, as the pixel density of a display device increases, the physical sizes of objects on screen get smaller. When UI would otherwise be too small to touch and when text gets too small to read, Windows scales the system and app UI to one of the following scaling plateaus: 1.0 (100%, no scaling is applied) 1.4 (140% scaling) 1.8 (180% scaling) Windows determines which scaling plateau to use based on the physicalscreen size, the screen resolution, the DPI of the screen, andform factor.Use resource loading for bitmap images in the app package Forbitmap images storedin the app package, provide a separate image for each scalingfactor(100%, 140%, and 180%),and name your image files using the "scale" naming conventiondescribed below. Windows loads the right image for the current scale automatically. -------------------------------- The image name convention for the various scales is: images/logo.scale-100.png images/logo.scale-140.png images/logo.scale-180.png The 'ms-appx:///images/logo.png' uri is used to load the image in an application. If we want to support this in the same way as it is done for Mac OS Xthe WToolkit should return MultiResolution image in case ifthe loaded image has .scale-* qualifiers. The Graphics class can request an image with necessary resolution from the MultiResolution image. It seems that nothing should be changed in the MultiResolution interface in this case. Thanks, Alexandr....jim On 1/14/14 2:54 AM, Alexander Scherbatiy wrote:Hello, Could you review the fix: bug: https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8029339 webrev: http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~alexsch/8029339/webrev.00 This is a proposal to introduce an API that allows to create a custom multi resolution image.I. It seems reasonable that the API should provide two basicoperations:1. Get the resolution variant based on the requested imagewidth and height: - Image getResolutionVariant(int width, int height) Usually the system provides the scale factor which represents the number of pixels corresponding to each linear unit on the display. However, it has sense to combine the scale factor and the current transformations to get the actual image size to be displayed. 2. Get all provided resolution variants: - List<Image> getResolutionVariants() There are several uses cases:- Create a new multi-resolution image based on the givenmulti-resolution image. - Pass to the native system the multi-resolution image. For example, a use can set to the system the custom multi-resolution cursor. II. There are some possible ways where the new API can be added 1. java.awt.Image.The 2 new methods can be added to the Image class. A usercan override the getResolutionVariant() and getResolutionVariants() methods to provide the resolution variantsor there can be default implementations of these methodsif a user puts resolution variants to the list in the sorted order. To check that the image has resolution variants the followingstatement can be used: image.getResolutionVariants().size()!= 1 The disadvantage is that there is an overhead that the Image class should contain the List object and not all images can have resolution variants. 2. Introduce new MultiResolutionImage interface. A user should extend Image class and implement the MultiResolutionImage interface. For example: --------------------- public class CustomMultiResolutionImage extends BufferedImage implements MultiResolutionImage { Image highResolutionImage; public CustomMultiResolutionImage(BufferedImage baseImage, BufferedImage highResolutionImage) { super(baseImage.getWidth(), baseImage.getHeight(), baseImage.getType()); this.highResolutionImage = highResolutionImage; Graphics g = getGraphics(); g.drawImage(baseImage, 0, 0, null); g.dispose(); } @Override public Image getResolutionVariant(int width, int height) { return ((width <= getWidth() && height <= getHeight())) ? this : highResolutionImage; } @Override public List<Image> getResolutionVariants() { return Arrays.asList(this, highResolutionImage); } } --------------------- The current fix adds the MultiResolutionImage interface and public resolution variant rendering hints. Thanks, Alexandr.