On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: > > Quoting Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On April 16, 2007 3:32 AM Gaby wrote: > > > >> > >> I have a functional development environment under windows > >> -- cygwin -- but I cannot use it because GCL does not work > >> under cygwin > > > > What do you mean that GCL does not work under cygwin? It works > > for me. You just can't compile it under cygwin. > > That means the same thing for me: If I cannot compile it under > cygwin, it does not work for me as far as Axiom development is > concerned. >
Why not? It is not necessary to build gcl as part of the Axiom build - just install the windows binary for gcl, like other users Windows do. > > > >> and I have been told on this list that windows people don't > >> care about GCL under cygwin. > > > > I think that in general windows people don't care much for > > cygwin. period. What it does is foreign to them plus it is a > > poor replacement for linux, if linux is what you really want. > > > > But, I do not mean linux. My impression is that you're > completely missing the picture by micro-focusing on linux vs. > non-linux environment and drawing misplaced conclusions > characterizations. Yes, perhaps. Sorry. > > What I want is to have a reasonable development under windows > -- whether it is mingw or cygwin, I don't care much. The only > thing I care about is that the environment does not disrupt > me much from doing actual work. > MSYS/minGW works for me. > >> I guess the fact that windows people on this list don't > >> help that much to make concrete forward progress is OK. > > > > I think that is typical. > > OK; I believe the logical conclusion for me is probably that > I drop any work on Axiom on windows. Your choice. > > Granted you can reproduce the problems, but the solution you > suggested did not work for me. I moved ActivePerl's path away > from /bin and /mingw/bin. ??? That doesn't sound right. Did you take a look at $ echo $PATH .:/usr/local/bin:/mingw/bin:/bin:/c/Perl/site/bin:/c/Perl/bin: /c/watcom-1.3/binnt:/c/watcom-1.3/binw:/c/Perl/bin/: /c/program files/imagemagick-6.2.6-q16:/c/Program Files/tla: /c/program files/aldor/bin:/c/Program Files/Java/jdk1.5.0_04/bin: /c/watcom-1.3/binnt:/c/watcom-.3/binw:/c/texmf/miktex/bin: /c/WINXP/system32:/c/WINXP:/c/WINXP/System32/Wbem: /c/Program Files/axiom/mnt/windows/bin: /c/Program Files/Common Files/GTK/2.0/bin: /c/Program Files/gs/gs8.51/bin:/c/Program Files/GnuWin32/bin: /c/Program Files/QuickTime/QTSystem/:/d/smlnj/bin: /c/Program Files/Moscow ML/bin:/c/Program Files/darcsdir-w32: /c/Mercurial:/c/Program Files/Subversion/bin: /c/Program Files/Aldor/bin:/c/Program Files/Aldor/bin: .:/mingw/bin MSYS looks in a lot of places besides /bin and /mingw/bin. If ActivePerl is in your windows PATH, it will be accessible to MSYS. But if you have /bin/perl installed it will be found by MSYS first before ActivePerl. > Now, I tried to install autoconf-2.60 -- I explained > why I cannot require autoconf-2.61; more on this below. Ok. > Except the build goes into infinite loop, so that I never > get a functional build. > If your perl returns: > > $ perl --version > > > > This is perl, v5.6.1 built for msys then that seems very strange. It works for me. And if I rename /bin/perl to something else (and thereby use ActivePerl from windows), it fails that way you said it does for you. > ... > But I already have MSYS pre-packaged components from mingw.org! > So you are running "perl, v5.6.1 built for msys" or not? > > Just because other people get away with using ActivePerl > > with minGW doesn't make it a "supported configuration" or good > > idea. > > Definitely, my reading of the mingw documentation from mingw > website is that ActivePerl is a "supported configuration". > But again, that point is moot by now. Even old Perl from > msys does not get me install Autoconf-2.60. > > ... > > > > MSYS is not a linux distro by any imagination but I think the > > same principle applies. > > Which implies that I should not even try your suggestion of > installing Autoconf-2.61 from a non-officially supported third > party. I don't think your statements are coherent. By your rules you would only do this if you had no other choice. What choice do you have? If you want to abandon Windows development for build-improvements, fine, it's your choice. But would still try to encourage you to continue. > > Bill -- again, building Autoconf-2.60 does not work on the > "virgin" msys/mingw fails as an infinite loop. > Very odd. I works fine for me: -------- $ wget http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/autoconf/autoconf-2.60.tar.gz $ tar xzvf autoconf-2.60.tar.gz $ perl --version This is perl, v5.6.1 built for msys Copyright 1987-2001, Larry Wall Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on this system using `man perl' or `perldoc perl'. 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that save me valuable time, and > probably spares me from unwarranted unhelpful characterizations > and moralization. Your choice. Maybe you can wait until someone produces an MSYS developer package with 2.60 pre-installed. Again I apologize for my "unwarranted unhelpful characterizations and moralization". I have no excuse except to observe that it is common human failing. > If people care about Axiom on windows, they will find resources > to get it happen. I doubt that very much. All that is likely to happen is that they will dismiss Axiom as uninteresting. Consider for example Martin's recent experience with promotion of his guess package for Axiom. My current goal is to produce a version of Axiom for windows that has this (and other bug fixes by Waldek) pre-installed. Right now build-improvements is the best tool to accomplish this. Porting upstream build-improvement changes to wh-sandbox seems very difficult, so I am currently looking at pulling what's needed from wh-sandbox back into build-improvements. The changes in the wh-sandbox algebra build makes this just a little tricky in the case of the guess package. I would also like to pull the changes for the algebra build since it avoids embedding Lisp into the algebra files, but I think I'll tackle that second (or wait for someone else to do it). > I'm done. I'm sorry to hear that. :-( Regards, Bill Page. _______________________________________________ Axiom-developer mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
