+1. Welcome Dennis :)
~Thilina
On 8/19/05, jayachandra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is my +1
Jaya
On 8/19/05, Shahi, Ashutosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> +1. Welcome Dennis.
>
> Ashutosh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Sosnoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:36 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Axis2] Re: [VOTE] Dennis Sosnoski for Axis2 committer (Re:
> [Axis2] Better Java-XML mapping)
>
> Yes, dims asked me ahead of time and I said I was definitely interested.
>
> Of course, that was before he -1'ed me using "dms" as my apache id...
>
> - Dennis
>
> Dennis M. Sosnoski
> Enterprise Java, XML, and Web Services
> Training and Consulting
> http://www.sosnoski.com
> Redmond, WA 425.885.7197
>
>
>
> Aleksander Slominski wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > if Dennis is interested then it would be great addition to Axis2 team!
> >
> > alek
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> here is my +1
> >> Chathura
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> +1,
> >>> welcome Dennis :-)
> >>>
> >>> - Ruchith
> >>>
> >>> On 8/19/05, Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Team,
> >>>> Dennis has been a long time contributor to Axis...Let's welcome him
> >>>> with open arms to Axis2.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's my +1 to Dennis for Axis2 committer.
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks,
> >>>> dims
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/18/05, Dennis Sosnoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've been having some off-list email exchanges on the issues of
> >>>>> better
> >>>>> tools for going between Java and XML. This is relevant to both
> >>>>> start-from-Java approaches to web services, and handling schema
> >>>>> versioning. Since these issues are important for Axis2 I'll get
> this
> >>>>> thread going here, assuming nobody objects to us using the Axis2
> list
> >>>>> for this purpose. I'm copying the jibx-devs list on my own emails
> on
> >>>>> this topic just so that people monitoring that list are also aware
> of
> >>>>> the discussion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While we have a number of tools for generating Java object models
> to
> >>>>> (more or less) match a schema, most of these tools either cannot
> work
> >>>>> with pre-existing Java classes or can only work with existing
> classes
> >>>>> using their own built-in correspondences. This limitation makes it
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> very
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> difficult for users to take a start-from-Java approach to
> developing
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> web
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> services, since the users then have little or no control over the
> >>>>> schemas used by the web service (as seen with the JAX-RPC
> 1.0-style
> >>>>> doc/lit mapping). It also makes it very difficult for users to
> work
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> with
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> evolving schemas, since their data model will need to be
> regenerated
> >>>>> every time the schema changes. Because of this, users often end up
> >>>>> writing a translation layer into their applications to take the
> data
> >>>>> from the schema-centric model and convert it into structures
> actually
> >>>>> used by their main application code.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are some libraries which provide more flexible conversions
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> between
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Java and XML, including Betwixt as well as my own JiBX framework.
> >>>>> JAXB
> >>>>> 2.0 is also taking steps in this direction. The subject of the
> >>>>> exchanges has been the desirability of better GUI tools for
> working
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> with
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> frameworks which support such flexible conversions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Betwixt seems to offer very good support for starting from basics
> and
> >>>>> refining the mapping as you go. It basically offers defaults for
> >>>>> everything, then lets you override the defaults. JiBX takes almost
>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> opposite approach, requiring the user to specify everything
> (though
> >>>>> there is a tool which will generate a default binding
> automatically,
> >>>>> with a variety of overrides). I can certainly see the benefits to
> >>>>> providing a tool that allows an interactive approach to building a
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> JiBX
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> binding, basically starting with Betwixt-like defaults and
> allowing
> >>>>> overrides at every step of the way down to a detailed JiBX
> binding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> way I envision it this should show sample XML output (or the
> current
> >>>>> schema, for those developers able to understand schemas) at every
> >>>>> step
> >>>>> of the way - when you change the binding, you immediately get the
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> change
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> reflected in the schema/sample XML. Ideally you should even be
> >>>>> able to
> >>>>> go the other way - modify the schema, and have the binding
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> automatically
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> reflect the change (or replace the schema with a new version, and
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> the binding adjust as best it can and then flag the mismatches).
> I've
> >>>>> been adding hooks to JiBX for some time with the intent of moving
> it
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> this direction.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Much of the off-list discussion has revolved around the
> >>>>> possibility of
> >>>>> building a generic tool of this type, one able to work with
> different
> >>>>> frameworks. On thinking it over, it seems to me that at least the
> >>>>> general framework of the tool should be reusable - say the IDE
> >>>>> integration and XML/schema display and manipulation. That would
> leave
> >>>>> the need to write plugins for each binding framework to handle XML
> >>>>> instance and schema generation from a binding and set of classes,
> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> handle editing the actual binding definition (in whatever form
> that
> >>>>> takes - an XML file for Betwixt and JiBX, annotations for JAXB,
> >>>>> etc.).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What do people think of this? Anyone want to jump right in and
> start
> >>>>> putting this together? ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Dennis
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/ - Oxygenating The Web Service
> >>>> Platform
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Ruchith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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-- Jaya
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