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- James M Snell/Fresno/IBM
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 Programming Web Services With SOAP, O'reilly & Associates, ISBN 
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Subject:        TCK issue:  beans with full constructors?



The TCK requires generated beans to have full constructors.  In other 
words, if a bean has properties

int x;
String y;

then you must have a constructor

Bean(int x, String y);

We DO NOT have a full constructor in axis for a number of reasons.  I 
believe the TCK SHOULD NOT require the full constructor.  Let me know 
whether you think this is a legitimate argument to take to the JAX-RPC 
folks.

1.  I don't ever recall seeing that a full constructor is required by any 
bean spec.
2.  JAX-RPC itself does not explicitly require it.
3.  If the WSDL complexType contains <xsd:sequence>... then the order is 
fixed.  But if the complexType contains <xsd:all>... then you CANNOT know 
the order and therefore cannot depend on a bean being generated with some 
particular order.  When you're programming to a bean, you have no idea 
whether this bean was generated from sequence or all, so you cannot depend 
on any given order.
4.  We in AXIS support attributes as well as elements.  Attributes are 
optional in JAX-RPC, so it doesn't say anything about how they exist in a 
bean.  How would they appear in a full constructor?  First?  Last?  What 
if they're optional?  Do the appear in the constructor at all?  Since we 
only have the default constructor, these issues don't exist.

For these reasons we've decided NOT to generate full constructors.  For 
reasons 1, 2, 3, I don't believe the TCK should require them.

Granted the following code:

Bean bean = new Bean(5, "hi");

is simpler to write than:

Bean bean = new Bean();
bean.setX(5);
bean.setY("hi");

But I think I've explained why the former isn't acceptible.  Any other 
thoughts?

Russell Butek
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