+1, a PMC would be a good opportunity to refactor various pieces.
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Steve Graham
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"Sanjiva
Weerawarana" To: "Axis Development List"
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Subject: time for a Web services PMC?
(was: Fw: spinning out projects (was: incubator
10/24/2002 01:57 project))
AM
Please respond to
axis-dev
Given the note below, I wonder whether its time to consider a
"Web services" PMC for Apache. I would like to see that come up.
Here's my +1.
I volunteer to write up the proposal if folks are intersted. There
are a bunch of projects that would move under the new PMC:
Axis, Apache SOAP, WSIL4J, WSIF
Sanjiva.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: spinning out projects (was: incubator project)
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 08:58:49AM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
> > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> >...
> > > This is why we are sick of being hosted in a container that doesn't
give
> > > us nothing and we would almost all love to see xml blasted and the
> > > flattening resolution passed.
> >...
> > > XML people don't give a damn about the xml.apache.org brand because
> > > there is none and there is no community that feels that
'xml.apache.org'
> > > is *the place* for XML technology (even if, maybe, it is).
> > >
> > > We perceive it as a dry and useless container of full-blown ASF
projects
> > > that happen to work on XML technologies. So we have nothing to worry
> > > about if it goes down the drain.
> >...
> > > Jakarta is a container with a general community that respect the
brand
> > > and enjoys to be part of it. XML is just a container and nobody
really
> > > think it's getting something out of being part of it.
> >...
> > Two things, and I have been VERY consistent about this:
> >
> > 1) If you want Cocoon or any other project separate from XML, then get
> > off your butt and put together a proposal. There is at least one board
> > member who would actively support such a proposal (me).
> >
> > 2) Such a proposal should not be conditional on the actions of any
other
> > project or set of committers not part of the proposal. Perhaps Xalan
> > and Xerces don't *want* to xml.apache.org to be blasted.
>
>
> Sam is 100% spot-on here. There is absolutely no reason to wait for any
> flattening or reorg or anything. Heck... who knows if/when that will even
> happen.
>
> If you want to be separated, then write up a resolution to establish a
new
> PMC for the project. Send that resolution to board@. We may ask for a
couple
> refinements, then put it onto the agenda for our next meeting.
>
> The Board is not going to spin you out. *YOU* have to do the legwork to
make
> that happen.
>
> As with Sam, I would also vote for such a separation. So you've got 2 of
the
> 9 potential votes already. And yes, my vote will also go for spinning out
> any Jakarta projects.
>
> The next Board meeting will occur at ApacheCon. Please try to send your
> proposed resolutions at least a week beforehand, although 2-3 days might
> be okay. (but if it appears the directors have not had adequate review
time,
> then it'll get tabled; that's why sending it earlier is better)
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> --
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