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From: "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Apache SOAP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 19:51
Subject: Re: time for a Web services PMC? (was: Fw: spinning out projects
(was: incubator project))



> At least all the folks who have replied on soap-dev or axis-dev
> have +1'ed the idea of having a common umbrella for all Apache
> Web services projects. I personally think we'd be missing out
> on a great branding opportunity if we don't do that.

maybe we need to start adding some more in the incubator. I have a little
extension to axis I'm getting ready to commit, but it may have .net client
support there too.

> > A questions to ponder:
>
> Only one question? (You had "s" at the end ..)
>
> > The PMC should consist of the set of core and active committers for a
> > project.  Do we have such a set that spans these various codebases?  Or
> > do we have essentially non-overlapping sets of committers?
>
> Is that a new rule? I don't see Xerces committers being Axis
> committers or Xalan committers being Xerces committers or vice-versa.
> If that's not what has been the case so far why the new rule?
> I always thought that PMC was a set of elected reps from the
> various projects and they got elected by virtue of their individual
> credibility. Clearly folks (including you it seems considering today's
> discussion on the reorg list!) have different understanding of what
> the PMC is about and how its constituted.

some clarification may come from a reorg mail by roy:


On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The concept of a PMC, and the reason that anyone having a vote on
> the project code-base should be a member of the PMC, is to provide
> legal protection to those people as individuals.  Not being on a PMC
> (as defined by the bylaws) means that each and every decision made
> by those committers is outside the scope of Apache's legal
> protection, which in turn means that if a mistake is made (or some
> asshole lawyer just feels like it), any suit against the committer
> actions (such as infringement of some unknown patent) would have to
> be defended by the committers on their own.  The ASF would be able
> to defend the code itself, but not the people whose actions were
> outside the PMC.

so, I'm in favor of legal indemnity for my commits, which, if it means PMC
membership, I'm happy to go with.

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