Well, actually, I hit the right button, the problem was I was using my PDA 
to send the note which doesn't seem to deal with mailing lists in the most 
ideal way.  Thanks for forwarding it on to the list.

- James Snell
     IBM Emerging Technologies
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     Programming Web Services With SOAP
         O'Reilly & Associates, ISBN 0596000952

     Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. 
     Do not be terrified, do not be discouraged, for the Lord your 
     God will be with you whereever you go.    - Joshua 1:9



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12/16/2002 06:52 AM
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Tom Jordahl
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-----Original Message-----
From: James M Snell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Web Services top-level project (was Re: [AXIS/WSIF]
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+1 to all of this

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Jordahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: 12/11/02 6:58:10 AM
>To: ""'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
>Subject: RE: Web Services top-level project (was Re: [AXIS/WSIF] proposed
new WSIF home page URL)
>
>I would think that each of the sub projects would have its own set of
committers.  I don't think I should have the rights to muck with the WSIF
code just because I know what I am doing in Axis.
>
>Given that we expect the number of projects involving web services to 
only
increase, I think it would make much more sense that each project has its
own set of committers, mailing list, CVS tree, etc, etc.
>
>I see webservice.apache.org as more of an organizational grouping than a
'we are a bunch of people all working on every one of these projects'.
>
>I freely admit that there may be Apache organizational principals that
govern this that I am not aware of....
>
>--
>Tom Jordahl
>Macromedia Server Development
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:24 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Web Services top-level project (was Re: [AXIS/WSIF]
>proposed new WSIF home page URL)
>
>
>Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> +1 for creating a new project called webservices.apache.org and
migrating
>> Apache Axis, Apache SOAP, WSIF, WSIL etc. under that as components.
>> That means there would be one set of committers, one PMC, one set
>> of rules/guidelines etc..
>
>Let me expand upon that last statement.  Jakarta is an umbrella PMC with
>lots of pieces.  One such piece was Avalon, which itself had a lot of
>pieces.  Both resulted in serious community and oversight issues.  I can
>provide more detailed background if necessary, but sufficie it to say
>that there is a strong desire that any new PMC that is created addresses
>some of these issues.
>
>The first thing we need to consider is whether there are WSIF developers
>and Axis developers as separate concepts.  Example, does a WSIF
>developer need to submit a patch to WSDL2Java in order to address one of
>"their" needs, or is WSDL2Java community property?
>
>- Sam Ruby
>

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