I agree.  No single e-mail participant represents the entire list.

But everyone is free to speak their mind - this includes folks who have 
feedback and folks who would like to see a particular discussion thread end :-)

All that being said, my personal opinion is that it is a mistake to "throw in 
the towel" regarding use of axis.  A better approach is to understand its 
present deficiencies and limitations, and to help the community improve it over 
time.

Regards,
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Oinn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: I give up


Guy Rixon wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Nathaniel G. Auvil wrote:
> 
>> Can we please stop this thread?
> 
> Fine. If you don't want advice I won't waste my time.

As a (mostly) external observer to all this I would point out that 
regarding all criticisms as unhelpful and non constructive unless they 
come with source code, patches and man hours of effort is foolish.

Most users of axis have no time to enhance it directly, but users are 
also far and away the most valuable asset the project has. Axis is not 
without its flaws but my experience has been that the active developers 
have been happy to engage with me to help me work around them or figure 
out where improvements can be made even though I don't have the 
resources to contribute directly myself.

Please don't give up on the project, the person suggesting stopping this 
thread does not speak for everyone involved; an accurate and reasoned 
explanation of a problem is, if not welcome (no one likes hearing when 
their code doesn't work!) then at least appreciated as helpful feedback 
even without any corresponding solution.

Regards,

Tom
  
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