Hi Anne,

> Good questions. The way I see it, support for REST has more to do with
> hype than anything else -- especially the way it's been implemented.
> (which really is POX rather than REST)

As I said in my reply, in Axis2 we do support more than POX- we also
support GETs. But in principle I agree with your comment .. REST is full
of hype these days. In Axis2 we *do not* do full REST (with etag support
and all .. although I am working with Ruwan Linton on a caching module
that will support it). 

> There is a growing backlash against the complexity of SOAP and WS-*,
> and in response, people are looking for a simpler, more native-Web
> approach to services. And that's POX -- Plain Old XML over HTTP. HTTP
> is a very powerful and scalable application protocol. It supports
> clean separation of header and application payload. It provides a
> means to support self-describing messages (using MIME types). It

Now you've drunk too much REST coolaid Anne ;-) .. MIME is not self
describing when it comes to XML .. saying application/xml simply isn't
enough to "describe" the XML; you do need a schema of some sort. 

> supports security (HTTPS) and stateful sessions (cookies). Many argue
> that the SOAP envelope and all the SOAP Headers are just a lot of
> extra clutter. And for many applications, that's true. POX is
> absolutely adequate.

+1.

> But POX does not automatically imply REST. REST is an architectural
> style -- one that is resource-oriented rather the service-oriented. If
> you think that you can take a service-oriented application and
> generate a resource-oriented interface for it, then you really don't
> understand REST. If you want a RESTful system, it requires a different
> design model -- the two architectural styles (service vs
> resource-oriented) are fundamentally different.

Big +1.

> Let me explain using Mark Baker's favorite example -- lightbulbs.
> Let's say you want to design a system that allows you to turn
> lightbulbs on and off.

And just to make sure people understand- when this example was discussed
in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/, there
was a thread of like 100 messages that got quite a diversity of
opinions. Moral of the story: achieving REST style architectures
properly is just as much of an art as achieving SOA properly.

Sanjiva.



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