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From: robert lazarski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Choosing a path

I wrote some of the docs you are referring to, so allow me to respond
;-).

First of all, in web services the xml is typically not validated, due
to performance reasons. 
[Kurt Kavanaugh] 

Hmmm mildly disagree. If a HashTree is built based upon XSD at bootstrap
or on demand and cached with a shelf life, binding to various XSD
namespaces, lookup and comparing at the node level is fast and trivial,
with either a push or pull model. 

However, since you mention xmlbeans, you're in
luck as all the generated classes have a validate() method. So you can
actually validate any xmlbeans bound xml before sending it over the
wire. YMMV for other databinding API's.

I think the WSDL2Java bat and sh files may have solved the
ClassNotFoundException problem with xmlbeans, though the WSDL2Java ant
task may expose you to a few unique problems with xmlbeans nuances.

As for your Axiom questions - others may be able to comment better -
what you seem to be getting at is not using xmlbeans via wsdl2java,
but rather the wsdl2java -none option. Maybe trying that may clarify
things for you.

HTH,
Robert

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Kurt Kavanaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> I have been doing some reading... and more reading... J
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> So many choices. But all start with business requirements.
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> In a nutshell.
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> I like the Axiom model and the ability to write code vs generated
code. On
> the other hand I want XSD conformance. We also need to have a fairly
rich
> XML model so we want to use a document vs RPC model. In addition I/we
don't
> just want to have a single graph/XML/Tree like Object we need to be
able to
> have arrays of graph like objects. To me this seems to be the promise,
to
> richly describe via XML and XSD a service interaction. Not RPC simple
type
> in and simple type out, at least for our purposes.
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> Questions:
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> The Axiom model of server side implementation does not seem to be able
to be
> generated from the WSDL2Java, Am I missing something? Can I be pointed
to
> examples that illustrate non-trivial XSD compliance using the Axiom
server
> side implementation?
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> Where is the XML validated? Handler Chain? Servlet, Skelton, Or is the
> validity of interaction the responsibility of the Client and WSDL?
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>
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> I used WSDL2Java xmlBeans option and have a working service with the
*.class
> Schema types. How are these used? Should I decompile and take a peek
under
> the hood? Are they used for XSD comfornance?
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> Also the documentation says the files are needed at compile time. I am
not
> finding that to be true.
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> Excerpt
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> An important detail is that an XMLBean class file is also generated by
> WSDL2Java, TypeSystemHolder.class. That file is placed into
build/classes by
> the above ant task and will be needed to compile the generated
sources. A
> frequent problem is users get an error such as:
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> ClassNotFoundException : Cannot load SchemaTypeSystem. Unable to load
class
> with name
>
schemaorg_apache_xmlbeans.system.s68C41DB812F52C975439BA10FE4FEE54.TypeS
ystemHolder.
> Make sure the generated binary files are on the classpath
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> The classes are used at runtime correct? So this would be a runtime
> ClassNotFoundException. The reference to the "schemaorg_*" String when
> creating the type isn't checked at compile time.
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>
> Finally since the promise of webservices is to *not* have to use Axis
or any
> other implementation specific stack, but the XML XSD, and WSDL
elements, are
> there client examples for invoking Axis created services from .NET,
1.4 JRE,
> etc...clients which in theory bind to the WSDL. I know each of these
> technologies has it's own WSDL2<language> tools but it would be good
to have
> a library of non Axis clients for compatibility testing.

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