Charles,

That might actually explain the issue. Here is some additional info:

* ORB.init looks up classes from the thread context class loader (I
checked that in the JRE sources).
* ServiceTCCL=composite means that Axis2 sets the TCCL to the service
class loader when entering a service method and resets it after the
method exits.
* A new thread that is being created inherits the TCCL from its parent
thread (see Javadoc of java.lang.Thread).

However, it is possible that Axis2 doesn't take the ServiceTCCL
property into account when executing a lifecycle method (maybe that
should be considered as a bug). This would mean that your thread ends
up with the TCCL set to the Web app class loader. Since the thread is
managed by your service, you can obviously set the TCCL for that
thread to whatever you want (It will have no impact on Axis2 nor on
the servlet container). I would try to set it to the service class
loader (You should be able to get a reference to that class loader
from the parameters passed to the lifecycle method).

Andreas

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 21:28, Charles Galpin <cgal...@lhsw.com> wrote:
> It's just a thread spawned from the lifecycle init method using new Thread()… 
> The general idea is we have an existing code base that used to be launched as 
> commandline apps. I am now launching them in a thread from my web services, 
> and "web enabling" them.  Admittedly there were not designed or built to be 
> used this way, but I don't think there should be anything stopping me from 
> doing this.
>
> The Corba initialization occurs in the client.corba.* packages, but they are 
> just calling org.omg.CORBA.ORB.init which is doing the class loading and 
> thats from rt.jar in the java distro afaik. The ORB loaded is a configurable 
> option which is why it uses the class loader (IE not in my control).
>
> I got past this one by putting the corba.jar into WEB-INF/lib.
>
> The SQLException I describe below occurs when a call is made to 
> DriveManager.getConnection(..) and works fine loading a single service/.aar
>
> charles
>
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Andreas Veithen wrote:
>
>> Charles,
>>
>> According to the stack trace you posted, the error occurs inside a
>> thread that is neither managed by the servlet container, nor by Axis2:
>>
>> 13:38:58 DEBUG- Stack trace: org.omg.CORBA.INITIALIZE: can't
>> instantiate default ORB implementation org.jacorb.orb.ORB  vmcid: 0x0
>> minor code: 0  completed: No
>>        at org.omg.CORBA.ORB.create_impl(ORB.java:297)
>>        at org.omg.CORBA.ORB.init(ORB.java:336)
>>        at client.corba.BaseCORBAApp.initCORBA(BaseCORBAApp.java:134)
>>        at 
>> client.corba.BaseCORBAService.startService(BaseCORBAService.java:100)
>>        at 
>> client.project.dcol.publish.corba.WebServiceDataCollectionService.webInit(WebServiceDataCollectionService.java:170)
>>        at 
>> client.project.dcol.GDPI.ServiceBase$ServiceThread.run(ServiceBase.java:318)
>>        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
>>
>> How and where is this thread created?
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 20:23, Charles Galpin <cgal...@lhsw.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks Andreas
>>>
>>> I added this to both services being loaded, rebuilt and ran, but no change.
>>>
>>> The composite class loader was one of the options described in Amil's blog 
>>> and as I understand it, it is supposed to use both the TCCL and the service 
>>> class loader. But I guess I still don't understand the class loading 
>>> because this jar is in all the places the class loaders should be looking 
>>> so I don't see how it matters which one it uses.
>>>
>>> I also tried the "EnableChildFirstClassLoading" parameter as well but no 
>>> help.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> charles
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Andreas Veithen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Try adding the following parameter on the service:
>>>>
>>>> <parameter name="ServiceTCCL" locked="false">composite</parameter>
>>>>
>>>> Andreas
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 18:22, Charles Galpin <cgal...@lhsw.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I am still running into problems with this.  I previously moved all the 
>>>>> jars
>>>>> I needed into the WEB-INF/lib directory and was able to continue working.
>>>>> But as I add more services (more .aar files) I am now running into strange
>>>>> unpredictable differences that I do not understand.
>>>>> For example, I have two services packaged in their own .aar files and if
>>>>> deployed independently they run just fine. Simply deploying both together
>>>>> causes the second one loaded to have mysterious problems like a
>>>>> java.sql.SQLException "no suitable driver found for jdbc:sqlserver://.."
>>>>> when the sql3jdbc jar file is in both the .aar and WEB-INF/lib directory 
>>>>> and
>>>>> (and as I said works fine standalone).
>>>>> Does anyone have any advice on how to get my services to run together
>>>>> happily? Assume I am not concerned with isolating each service from each
>>>>> other in terms of security.  I read on Amila's blog that some class 
>>>>> loading
>>>>> settings can be modified but it's not clear exactly what ramifications it
>>>>> will have or if it will even help my problems.
>>>>> I am not sure if this is causing my problems, but due to wanting to be 
>>>>> able
>>>>> to override the properties file in the .aar file when deployed in 
>>>>> different
>>>>> environments, in the service lifecycle init method I attempt to find the
>>>>> properties file in the axis classpath before trying the .arr, using first
>>>>> axisService.getClass().getClassLoader(0.gerResourceAsStream(propsFilename);
>>>>> and if not found then using
>>>>> this.getClass().getClassLoader(0.gerResourceAsStream(propsFilename);
>>>>> Could this be messing up the class loading sequence, and if yes, how can I
>>>>> achieve the same effect without using the axis class loader first?
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> charles
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Charles Galpin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sameera
>>>>> Ok, this is starting to make a little more sense. I was not aware the
>>>>> WebappClassLoader could not see classes in the .aar. Can this be changed?
>>>>> I have access to the source of the client.corba.* packages, but they are
>>>>> just calling org.omg.CORBA.ORB.init which is doing the class loading and
>>>>> thats from rt.jar in the java distro afaik. The ORB loaded is a 
>>>>> configurable
>>>>> option which is why it uses the class loader.
>>>>> Here is another exception stack you may find useful. I had run into this
>>>>> problem as well as various other classes not loading a while ago and made 
>>>>> a
>>>>> few changes until getting my service working, and one of them was to pass
>>>>> -Djava.library.path="%PATH%;blahblah" in on the commandline when starting
>>>>> tomcat. Removing this changes the error to a perhaps little more revealing
>>>>> message (after understanding about the TCCL limitation)
>>>>> 13:38:58 ERROR- Error initializing CORBA ORB. Unexpected CORBA error.
>>>>> org.omg.CORBA.INITIALIZE: can't instantiate default ORB implementation
>>>>> org.jacorb.orb.ORB  vmcid: 0x0  minor code: 0  completed: No
>>>>> 13:38:58 DEBUG- Stack trace: org.omg.CORBA.INITIALIZE: can't instantiate
>>>>> default ORB implementation org.jacorb.orb.ORB  vmcid: 0x0  minor code: 0
>>>>>  completed: No
>>>>>         at org.omg.CORBA.ORB.create_impl(ORB.java:297)
>>>>>         at org.omg.CORBA.ORB.init(ORB.java:336)
>>>>>         at client.corba.BaseCORBAApp.initCORBA(BaseCORBAApp.java:134)
>>>>>         at
>>>>> client.corba.BaseCORBAService.startService(BaseCORBAService.java:100)
>>>>>         at
>>>>> client.project.dcol.publish.corba.WebServiceDataCollectionService.webInit(WebServiceDataCollectionService.java:170)
>>>>>         at
>>>>> client.project.dcol.GDPI.ServiceBase$ServiceThread.run(ServiceBase.java:318)
>>>>>         at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
>>>>> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.jacorb.orb.ORB
>>>>>         at
>>>>> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader.loadClass(WebappClassLoader.java:1387)
>>>>>         at
>>>>> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader.loadClass(WebappClassLoader.java:1233)
>>>>>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:320)
>>>>>         at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
>>>>>         at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:247)
>>>>>         at org.omg.CORBA.ORB.create_impl(ORB.java:295)
>>>>>         ... 6 more
>>>>> 13:38:58 ERROR- Aborted due to startup failure.
>>>>> Aborted due to startup failure: Error initializing CORBA ORB. Unexpected
>>>>> CORBA error.
>>>>> Is there any other way to work around this other than putting the 
>>>>> libraries
>>>>> in the axis2/WEB-INF/lib directory? To be clear I have other problems 
>>>>> beside
>>>>> this. A good example is we have a custom log4j appender we use which is in
>>>>> Shared.jar. This cannot be found either unless it's in axis2/WEB-INF/lib 
>>>>> but
>>>>> your description explains that one too.
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> charles
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Sameera Jayasoma wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Charles
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Charles Galpin <cgal...@lhsw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sameera
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes this is what is happening and what is expected. The
>>>>>> org.omg.CosNotifyFilter.InvalidGrammar class is in jacorb.jar which is in
>>>>>> the .aar lib directory. What am I missing? Are you saying it should not 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> in the thread context class loader?
>>>>>
>>>>> The class BaseCORBAApp is trying to loadInvalidGrammar class from the TCCL
>>>>> and in this scenario TCCL is set to the WebappClassLoader. Classes in your
>>>>> aar lib folder cannot be seen by the WebappClassLoader. It can only see 
>>>>> the
>>>>> classes in axis2/WEB-INF/lib folder or in the application classpath
>>>>> tomcat/lib. That is things work nicely when you put jacob.jar to
>>>>> axis2/WEB-INF/lib.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have access to sources of the classes in client.corba.* packages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> sameera
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Sameera Jayasoma wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems that "BaseCORBAApp" class is trying to load
>>>>>>> "org.omg.CosNotifyFilter.InvalidGrammar" from the thread context class
>>>>>>> loader. That is why you see following lines in the exception log.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  at
>>>>>>> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader.loadClass(WebappClassLoader.java:1387)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>>>>> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader.loadClass(WebappClassLoader.java:1233)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  This is a usual practice of loading application libraries. If you have
>>>>>>> access to the source code of client.corba classes, you can verify this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Sameera
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Olindo, but the first error (see the bottom of the trace) is
>>>>>> java.lang.ClassNotFoundException which I believe is the root cause. I 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> checked and jacorb.jar is not in the path or classpath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Olindo Pindaro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The exception  isn't "ClassNotFound" but "NoClassDefFoundError", that in
>>>>>>> my experience is caused by conflit in differente version of library 
>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>> in compiler path and classloaderpath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sameera Jayasoma
>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>> WSO2 Inc.
>>>>> Oxygenating the Web Service Platform.
>>>>> http://wso2.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> blog: http://tech.jayasoma.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

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