Aren't we after the application selection stage? Any change would have to be 10.10 +1
On May 17, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Nickurak <[email protected]> wrote: You certainly point out a few of those "rough edges" :) I'd simply argue that they're relatively small. If epiphany was to be targetted as a default browser for 10.10 (for example), we'd find a lot more of these rough-edges, get more usability testing results, get more developer eyeballs and keyboards on it, and ultimately get a better web experience for everyone (IMO :) ) AFAIK, this is approximately the same argument that was made for pulseaudio, and (although it took several releases to get it to a good state) I think it's been a huge net win overall. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:26, Krzysztof Klimonda < [email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 10:24 -0600, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > (...) > Hey, > > Epiphany provides a web browser experience that's much more consistent > > with the rest of the gtk/gnome desktop environment. It has a few rough > > edges, but the 2.30.x branch has made some HUGE leaps in terms of > > usability and website compatability, via the webkit-gtk project. > Although I agree that Epiphany is a better choice for a GNOME browser as > it integrates well with the platform (for example using gnome-keyring > for storing passwords) its rough edges make it hard to use it and there > are few other things we should think about. > My biggest issue with Epiphany is the way it handles tabs - they were > the most important selling point of the Firefox, Google has done a lot > of work on their implementation to make sure it's great but Epiphany > uses a default toolkit tabs which simply do not cut it - I can open only > 8 tabs on my laptop without them being hidden and useless button popping > out. I can open 14 tabs on Firefox before I get those "scrolling > buttons" (and I always access a list of all opened tab in a form of > dropdown menu) and even more on Chromium. > While I agree that unexperienced users don't really care about tabs, I > must say that for all the others the ability to manage a lot of tabs is > important. > > Another issue related to tabs and opening new window is that the url bar > isn't focused - I have to press ctrl+l/F6 every time to start typing > url. > > Both Firefox and Chromium provide way of installing 3rd-party plugins > (or add-ons) for your browser directly from web pages. > > > > > Epiphany also might yield better results than other browsers like > > Firefox and Chrome, which use relatively heavyweight custom toolkits > > and widgets. I get the impression that integrating Epiphany into newer > > ubuntu design goals (global menu, windicator, etc) would be > > substantially less work. > Probably. It uses GTK+ and Firefox uses XUL so Epiphany does look like > an easier target to at least implement global menu (it should just > work). > > > > > As someone who's successfully switched to using epiphany for about 99% > > of my browsing, my experience can't help but ask if epiphany is the > > best route going forward. Is it getting much attention from Ayatana? > What about other 1%? :) > > I like Epiphany and I believe that Ubuntu needs a browser that is > visually and technically integrated with the rest of the desktop. I > don't believe that Epiphany is there yet, though. The cost of switching > for many users would be just too big and the gain from switching isn't > obvious for most of them. I think that working on getting Firefox (or > even better Chromium) more integrated with GNOME may be an easier and > safer route. > > Best Regards, > -- > Krzysztof Klimonda <[email protected]> > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > -- Jeremy Nickurak -= Email/XMPP: [email protected] =- _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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