Resending Martin's mail to the list since apparently his messages are still not getting through.
Scott K On Monday, June 07, 2010 01:47:03 pm Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Am Montag 07 Juni 2010, 19:03:18 schrieb Ted Gould: > > I think that with increased popularity the speed of growth in the Linux > > desktop is growing exponentially. I think that applications that aren't > > using one of the major toolkits will quickly find themselves out of sync > > visually with the rest of the desktop no matter what. Sure, you can > > point to CSD as a realization of this, but in reality almost everything > > Linux desktop-wide is creating the same effect. Applications that want > > to be promoted in distros really need to be in a major toolkit. > > Please tell that the OpenOffice.org developers ;-) > > > <snip> > > I think that you're missing my point here, it isn't about tabs. But > > about applications being able to use the integration between these area > > in new and interesting ways. One example is how Chrome had some really > > neat ideas about how tabs should work. They won't be the last. Saying > > that KWin has solved the tabs problem does not mean that the generic > > issue is solved. > > I think you missed my point. It isn't about tabs, but it shows that we are > not restricted to the window decorations, but that we can offer way more > with decorations. E.g. take the "Windicators". Implementing those inside > the decoration would make much more sense than inside the window. If it's > in the window decoration it is available to all windows, no matter which > toolkit and no matter how broken it is. > > > > > On the integration front, there is currently no way to reasonably > > > > make the window have a texture that integrates cleanly with the > > > > title bar. Even something as simple as a hash pattern would likely > > > > end up looking awful much less something sophisticated like the > > > > brushed metal look in many OS X applications. I'm not saying we > > > > should do either of those, but the fact that we can't is a little > > > > ridiculous. > > > > > > And also this is not true. Just again look at KDE. We are able to blend > > > the widget style with the decoration. In the same way we would be able > > > to do a pattern or a Mac OS X like theme. E.g. look at Bespin [0]. > > > > Bespin is a great example. Why can't the application generated circles > > extend into the title bar? I think it would be really cool if they > > could. > > They could. See for example: > http://picasaweb.google.de/mgraesslin/KWin#5408316722032062114 > > The screenshot is a little bit bad as the background has circles, too. But > it's the only screenshot I have around at the moment. _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
