Anthony: Well put!
Lionel --- On Tue, 11/11/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Additional Info on our Jewish heritage -> > Portugue... > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:30 AM > In a message dated 11/11/2008 1:26:32 PM Eastern Standard > Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Hi Katherine , > > > > I did not know of their claims which are unproven to > date as many > > others are ... I was not pushing their view other than > saying here uis > > another point of view on our past , take it with a > grain of salt until > > all evidence to the contrary has been exhausted . If > the research is > > flawed as you say , then it is on record as such and > their article > > remains a fanciful story until proven otherwise ... > > > > My intention was to put any interesting information > even if it is an > > alternate point of view out for discussion purposes so > that discerning > > researchers like yourself and others can provide > commentary and > > direction of what is good or flawed with the > conclusions that the > > authors have come up with . > > > > Genealogy research is still a new exciting tool with > which to gaze > > upon the past ,,,,every year we find out more wys to > interpret the > > findings ... > > > > All research into the past written history is at best > a calculated > > guesstimate as not all information found in historical > findings is > > complete . > > Most of what passes for History is written by the > conquerors scribes > > and the conqured did not have many chances of writing > their version of > > what happened to them or their people , so much of > what passes for > > historical dogma is tilted in favour of the winner of > any battle or > > occupation . > > > > I look forward to receiving any and all items related > to our past > > history as every bit reported does have a morsel of > truth contained > > within it ...if corroborating evidence can be found , > then the value > > of what has been written including findings is much > more valuable for > > us all , and myself as a amateur researcher, > unfortunately the past > > has had its share of archive destruction either by the > winners of any > > battles or natural destruction in fires > &earthquakes or suppressed / > > changed by the religious powers that were in control > to fit their mold > > of what was considered proper . > > > > The bottom line is that encouraging discussions on > what is purported > > to be historical research is a method to enhance our > knowledge of the > > past by inviting questions and hopefully better > answers to the unknown > > as we strive to discover our very rich cultural > heritage in the dust > > of time ... > > > > I look forward to reading more about our history , > with all points of > > view presented ,to encourage discussion &debate . > > If the article has no grounds , then it can be > disproved in a public > > forum . The intent to better understand our past with > all points of > > view taken into account . History as recorded is ever > changing and is > > rewritten as new archeological discoveries disprove > what was held as > > Gospel , so we have to have open minds to other > opinions and views if > > the research is proven to be done in the proper manner > . > > The Gist is that we can learn something from all > points of view to > > arrive at a better truth of our pre-history and > history , this > > research combined with the DNA research should > hopefull fill in the > > holes and give us a better picture of the past . > > > > > > Respectfully , > > > > Anthony Moniz > > > Dear Katherine and Anthony: > > The first articles which Anthony posted were well written > and well > researched. Once I started reading about the Jews, though, > I knew we were in trouble. > There seems to be a present day fascination with proving a > connection to Jewish > ancestors. The problem has always been that finding > documentary evidence has > always been difficult. The Inquisition forced many > "coversions" and those who > refused to abandon their faith (and managed to escape the > clutches of the Holy > Office) went underground and became known as crypto-Jews. > They would have > hidden any evidence of their Jewish faith. > > In the Azores there is very little evidence to suggest a > significant number > of openly Jewish people among the early settlers. You are > more likely to find > documentary evidence of slaves than Jewish settlers. The > estimates are either > greatly under or over estimated in my view. > > In my own case I have found only one known Jewish ancestor: > > Francisco Fernandes, o Castelhano foi escudeiro e era > natural de Sevilha, > sendo o seu nome todo Francisco Fernandes Pincho, segundo o > genealogista > Agostinho de Barros Lobo. Veio por 1500 e tantos para esta > ilha de S. Miguel, onde fez > testamento com sua mulher a 9.7.1544, sendo morador em S. > Pedro de Ponta > Delgada; foram sepultados na igreja da mesma freguesia > junto ao cruzeiro (Nota N.º > 1). Frutuoso cita-o algumas vezes como se pode ver no > início do Liv.º IV das > Saudades da Terra. Casou com Maria Fernandes, que, segundo > se diz, foi > sambanitada em Sevilha pelo que deve ser por ela que se > transmitiu a ascendência de > cristãos novos aos seus descendentes, entre eles, Gaspar > Dias e os filhos de > António Mendes Pereira. > > Enjoy Veterans Day which also Martinmas...S. Martinho. > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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