Thanks to all who helped me with this choice. The name Felizarda seems so old fashioned but it was the one that so many of my grandmothers in that line carried as a second name....
Regarding this, I found an odd syncronicity today.......a friend wrote to ask me when my first grandmother with the name Felizarda lived. I went to the NEPS site and found the first Felizarda who started the tradition was : Ana Felizarda Peixoto, b. Feb. 23, 1810.........I looked back and saw I first wrote the note asking about "de and da" on Feb. 23, 2010...... an odd bit of timing! 200 years to the day. She married the de Castro and the name continued until my Dads mother had just the 2 boys! John, I have Manoel Mendes Vosconcellos, b. 1618 from Topo,Sao Jorge....any possible connection? In regard to your Felizarda marrying her cousin....this line of mine, married cousins repeatedly. My ggrandmother, Ludovina Felizarda de Castro Cardosa and her husband Manoel Furtado Cardosa were 1st cousins! Good thing they finally got out of Candelaria! Kind regards, Nancy/Ana Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:47:41 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "de" or "da" To: [email protected] I like the name also...my great great grandmother was named Felizarda Rosa de Avila Brasil!! Nice choice!! From: John Vasconcelos <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 10:03:55 PM Subject: Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "de" or "da" Ana/Nancy, I like your new name. It could be because I had a great grandmother, Anna Felizarda de Vasconcellos born on Flores. That was both her maiden name and her married name because she was married to her first cousin, my great grandfather, Francisco Victorino de Vasconcellos. Regards, John Vasconcelos On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:12 AM, nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks all for the responses........it helped clarify for me which to use. Now, the deed is done and the paintings are at the printers for notecards and my final name based on your feedback feels right! Kind regards, Ana Felizarda de Castro Baptista (I feel like one of my ancestors making a name change.....so easy for them to do and yet my lawyer wants $500.00.....oh for the good old days when all you had to do was say "my name is such and such" and so it was! > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:51:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "de" or "da" > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Or in my case, it was da Costa Vasconcellos in the Azores. In Hawaii, > it became De Costa. Someone had once told me that in medieval times > that "de" meant from royalty, "do" from the church, "da" was a > peasant, and "di" I forgot... anyway, I have never read that anywhere > else........ > > On Feb 24, 8:11 am, George Pacheco <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Nancy! > > To anwswer your question "or should it be "de" Castro." it is written > > as de Castro. > > > > George > > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:07 PM, nancy jean baptiste > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sorry group....thought this was to Joao but I goofed! > > > Nancy > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "de" or "da" > > > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:04:28 -0600 > > > > > Greetings Joao, > > > > > I wonder if you could clarify something for me? I'd like to return to my > > > Portuguese name since Baptiste was never our real name and we've had it > > > since 1893. I've begun painting again and my work is Azorean scenes....I'd > > > like to sign with my Portuguese name......I want to take my grandmothers > > > name, several of them used Felizarda "da" Castro and I'm wondering if it's > > > correct or should it be "de" Castro. > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Nancy Jean Baptiste..../...Anna Felizarda da Castro Baptista > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:43:52 -0700 > > > From: [email protected] > > > Subject: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "de" or "da" > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Yes, it's a devotional name. > > > Maria do Corpo de Deus de Costa > > > Maria do Corpo de Deus = Mary of the Body of God > > > de Costa = the "real" family surname > > > > > Portuguese "de" = Spanish, French "de" = Dutch "van" = German "von" > > > > > Devotional surnames were not originally family surnames, but later they > > > can > > > become one. > > > > > Maria de Sao Jose = Mary of Saint Joseph > > > Maria do Nascimento = Mary of the Birth (of Jesus) > > > Maria da Conceicao = Mary of the Conception > > > Maria da Luz = Mary of the Light (after Our Lady of the Light) > > > > > Along XVIIIth Century, almost all women have devotional instead of > > > familiar > > > surnames. You will find lots and lots of Maria de Jesus, Maria da > > > Conceicao, > > > Maria do Rosario, Maria de Sao Pedro, Maria da Piedade, etc. Sometimes > > > these > > > surnames refered to birth's date saints: children born or baptized near > > > Christmas could be named "do Nascimento"; near Saint Joseph's day, "de Sao > > > Jose", etc., but it's not a rigid rule. Combined with family surnames: > > > Maria > > > da Luz Pereira or Maria Pereira da Luz. Sometimes these combos go on and > > > become a family name: "Pereira das Neves", "Pereira da Luz", "Silveira do > > > Nascimento". Other devotional surnames came from saints' epithets, like > > > Joao > > > Batista (John the Baptizer), Joao Evangelista (John the Evangelist), > > > Francisco Xavier, Francisco de Assis, applied to a single person, who > > > passed > > > to its descendants. In Vila do Topo, there was a Joao Batista de Santana > > > who > > > become the origin of a vast family Batista. > > > > > JS Lopes > > > ________________________________ > > > De: carmen furtado <[email protected]> > > > Para: [email protected] > > > Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 13 de Abril de 2009 13:32:26 > > > Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "de" or "da" > > > > > I have a "Maria do Corpo do Deus deCosta" on my family tree - are the two > > > 'dos' correct? Thanks. Carmen > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Marek Delacroix <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:19:18 AM > > > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "de" or "da" > > > > > Thank you Cheri...Our family name is Da Avila Brazil...but I have seen it > > > De > > > Avila Brazil...so it could be either and be right? 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