I am having close to the same situation now at St. Mary's cemetery in Oakland. I found my great grandfather there first. Since he was killed in an explosion at the Dimond Canyon Quarry in Oakland in 1909. There were plenty of newspaper articles about it so I was able to find that he was buried there. He has a really large stone which I assume was paid for by the company he worked for since my great grandparents were a young family at the time and didn't have any money to speak of. It took me quite a while longer to figure out that my gg grandfather was also buried there. He is actually buried right across the road from his son. However, he does not have a stone. The young woman in the office gave me the location and directions but I couldn't find it and the records didn't say whether or not there was a stone. I went back to the office and this very nice young woman pulled out the original book and maps and looked up the names of all the people around him so I was able to determine exactly where he is and that he has no stone. In that process though, we also discovered that there were two children buried there with him. Both children are named Manuel. One was 7 years old the other 6 mo. The records don't say who they belong to. The 6mo old could have belonged to my great grandparents but the 7 year old would have been born before my they were married (possible but not likely) and my great great grandmother would have been 48 when he was born and she already had a son named Manuel (my great grandfather) who was alive when this child was born. I did send for death certificates a few weeks ago but if that doesn't pan out, I don't know how I would ever figure it out. I also had a similar query at Calvary Catholic Cemetery in San Jose looking for my gg grandmother (the mother of the son above who was killed in the explosion). She was raising my grandmother's sister and remarried to Manuel Miranda. My grandmother's sister married Manuel Miranda's son Frank Miranda when she turned 18. My gg grandmother and my grand aunt were both named Rose so they both became Rose Miranda. When I contacted the office there trying to find the older Rose Miranda, they were very helpful trying to figure out who was where. There was a headstone. A big one. However, not everyone buried there was listed on the stone. There was only one Rose Miranda listed on the stone. As I now know, both of them are there. So, I agree with Robin. If you can get your hands or eyes on the records, you'll be better off then you would if you rely on the headstone only. I've had pretty good luck in having the people who work at the cemeteries and churches help me by just being nice and asking nicely. If someone isn't very helpful, you can try going back or calling back at a different time and try again. Sometimes someone else there will help or the original person is in a better mood. Jacki Pittsburg, California, USA Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo, Furtado, Rapoza Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
_____ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Besotes Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12.58 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] California cemetery information It appears there's two threads speaking of cemetery information, etc. and mentioning children, so instead of posting this comment twice, I've started a new thread. One of our family plots is at the Calvary Catholic Cemetery in San Jose, CA. One item I would note has to do with children's burials. Just because you don't see a headstone, don't automatically believe children are not buried in the plot (or section) with other family members. After doing much research on my Great Grandfather, Antonio da Rocha Borba, AKA Tony Borba and reading an old newspaper article I came across online, he and his first wife lost a child when they lived in San Jose prior to 1925. Not know where the child was buried puzzled me. A while back Susan Lucas offered me San Jose newspaper information about the Borba family. Her offer actually solved the puzzle while they didn't mention where the children were buried, it did note the dates of death. There were actually two infants who passed away. While my parents were at Calvary Cemetery last year, my mother called me from their office with a computer printout of all people buried in the plot. Mom was puzzled with two infants with the names, "baby Borba" and the dates of death. She wanted to know who these infants belonged to and their cemetery records didn't state. Remembering Susan's newspaper articles, I quickly pulled them out and the dates match! So, we were able to give the cemetery the actual infants names and who their parents were. It was interesting that the plot contains our Great-Great Grandparents, their 18 yr. old son who died from an accidental gun shot and two infants. Yet, the headstones only list the adults. Since my GGGrandparents had 12children, could have been one of their children had the headstone made after their Mother passed away and didn't remember or realize these infants were buried there. We still have one puzzle of a grammar school-aged child who was my Great-Uncle John Borba's son, DeAlton Borba, who I'm told died of possibly Leukemia, yet I haven't been able to prove where he's buried. If you can get your hands on actual records, you may find what your looking for vs' headstones alone. Good luck in your research. Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos, Jorge, Souto, Silveira, Canhoto California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove, Miliptas Azores: Terceira, Sao Jorge, Faial, Pico, Flores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
