Thanks Joao for all of the information.....I'm always amazed when you bring forth these tidbits of information like that about Joana's daughter Isabel having a baby out of wedlock then marrying her father's (Antonio was her father?) brother 5 years later. How do you even remember that you have this information? Did the son, Jose, take his new fathers name or use that of his mother? I'd like to research the Abreu family in Flamengos since I had no idea I had Fayal ancestors and now this Quadros line on Sao Jorge! I appreciate your help these last few years since your information about my Baptista family brought forth many, many discoveries with the help of Arline and others!
Best regards, Nancy Jean Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:37:54 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: Res: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Men using maternal surnames....help with translation To: [email protected] Before 1800s, the regular Portuguese surname form (maternal+paternal) was not the standard form. We can find any combination: maternal+paternal, paternal+maternal, only paternal, only maternal, grandparents's surnames. There's usually surnames in honor to grandparents or uncles/aunts. It's very common to repeat the name of grandmothers, for example. For example, I have an ancestor Apolonia Dias Pereira in Sao Roque/Pico, and she had many granddaughters Apolonia Dias Pereira, who had homonym granddaughters, making this name cross many generations intact. After 1800s there's very few examples of children receiving godparents' surnames. Joao S Lopes De: Joao S. Lopes <[email protected]> Para: [email protected] Enviadas: Domingo, 2 de Maio de 2010 21:06:52 Assunto: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Men using maternal surnames....help with translation Antonio de Quadros born in Flamengos, Faial, son of Domingos de Abreu and Luzia Gularte, married to Joana da Ressurreicao daughter of Joao Pereira de Quadros and Mariana Machado. Joana had a daughter Isabel de Sao Joao, who had son Jose born in Urzelina on 26-mar-1749 (unknown father) and later got married on 25-may-1754 (Velas) to Inacio Teixeira Machado, Antonio de Quadros's brother. JS Lopes De: Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> Para: [email protected] Enviadas: Domingo, 2 de Maio de 2010 17:09:14 Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Men using maternal surnames....help with translation Hi Nancy, I read: Antonio de Quadros son of Domingos Habreo & LuZia Gularte naturals of Ribeira dos Flamengos, Nossa Senhora da Luz, Fayal. Joana da Ressurreição daughter of João de Quadros "Pereira" The P.ra is short form and could be something either than Pereira, perhaps someone else in the group will be able to confirm, & Maria Machado of Beira, Santa Anna, S. Jorge. It does not make reference of consanguinity (blood relation). Best, Margaret Vicente. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:32 PM, nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]> wrote: Greetings all, I've spent a quiet , rainy weekend researching my mothers maternal and paternal lines simultaneously since the records are intermingled time wise in Velas. I've had some measure of success with some new discoveries. My Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira married Isabel de Jesus da Silveira...her father was my ggggrandfather, Manuel de Avila Teixeira who was the son of Jose Antonio da Silveira and Maria de Jesus, daughter of the other Manuel de Avila Teixeira and Beatriz Maria. So he was named after his maternal grandfather of the same name. Also, Jose was the son of Manuel Machado Fagundes and Joanna Baptista.....(this makes me wonder if my parents are some kind of cousins way back there)....not sure where his da Silveira came from. It would be impossible to trace these men by surnames! However, I need some help with a name on a record from my mothers maternal side......I've just discovered that my de Lemos line has roots in Norte Grande (Poderosa) and also back to Fayal! These people also used maternal surnames! One of them is Quadros. My ggrandmother, Francisca Rosa de Lemos was descended several generations back from Joao Jose da Silveira and Anna Bernarda Poderosa, Joao Jose was the son of Antonio (Alves?) de Quadros and Joanna Maria de Resurrecion......I need help reading Antonio and Joannas marriage record....... Velas marriages...1734 to 1772...page #116, record #676 Antonio is the son of Domingos de (HABREO?) and Luiza? Gularte from Rebeira, Flamengos, Fayal !!! (my first Fayal ancestor to date) Joanna is the daughter of Joam de Quadros (abbreviated name?) and Maria Machado of Velas (Beira) Does anyone connect or know these people and could you please help me with the names that I can't read on this record? Thank you, Nancy Jean Baptista The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. 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