Thanks, Gayle . Btw, also have a Mathias Jose Silveira I'm researching. He married Maria Adelaide and they sailed for New Bedford in 1898. I don't knowanything yet about his birthplace.
It's along-shot, I know, but thought I'd ask. Thanks for yr reply. Maria Elena Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2010, at 11:13 PM, "Gayle Machado" <gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu> wrote: > Maria Elena, > > My grandfather's name was Joseph Silveira Machado. His first wife was Martha > Girvin. They had only two children, one died as a child from a childhood > disease. My father was the only child from the second marriage. > > It doesn't sound like there's a connection. > > Gayle > > P.S. The story I told earlier is a sad commentary on attitudes and behaviors. > > -----Original Message----- > From: azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of Maria Lima > Sent: Sun 10/10/2010 8:18 PM > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sources, the Internet, and Family Stories > > > Gayle--, what was yr grandfather'sname and his Irish wife. I have a Machado > (Clem) who married an irish girl, Annie Lindgrenn. Anne was widow. Then, > She died. > > He remarried, a Portuguese Theodora Ferreira (her father's name, Manoel), > and they had a large posterity. Just wondered if there was a connection > > > Maria Elena > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2010, at 3:16 PM, "Gayle Machado" > <gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu> wrote: > >> Just a comment on the way this conversation has steered. My grandfather >> anglized his surname from Machado to Marshall for his first marriage. His >> wife was Irish and (as the story has been told) her family thought of the >> Portuguse as the N------ of Europe. Unfortunately, the missing word there >> was the horrible N- word. After she passed away and he decided to remarry >> (this time an Azorean woman) he reverted back to Machado. I've always >> wondered if there was a prevailing anti-immigrant bias due to a poor economy >> (much like we seem to be experiencing recently) or if it was something that >> was taught at home. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of yvonne domings >> Sent: Sun 10/10/2010 9:35 AM >> To: Azores Genealogy >> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sources, the Internet, and Family Stories >> >> Ally, My husband's father (whose parents immigrated from the Azores) >> told everyone that his family was not from the islands. My husband >> relates the story of when he was out at a bar with his father and he >> was telling another man that his family was from the mainland. The man >> flat out disagreed with him as if my f-i-l was lying. My husband >> remembers his father looking shocked to hear this, and he never heard >> him say that again, so I don't think he was lying. I think it was what >> he was told. I think that maybe his parents thought that the islands >> were considered somewhat backward. My friend from the Azores actually >> confirmed that there was a time when it was the prevailing opinion >> here. >> >> This is the part of the research that I find so fascinating. It >> provides me with a unique opportunity to get into the heads of people >> at a particular moment in their personal history and to think about >> how it relates to the situation both then and now. I can imagine how >> intense the pressure to fit in to the dominant culture was and even >> still is. As I look through the documentation, I see the >> transformation of my husband's family as their names become more >> Anglicized with each subsequent piece. First they changed their first >> names, then they named their children English names. Finally they >> dropped all indications of spelling differences from the surname. So, >> as you already know, your story is not so uncommon unfortunately. I >> say unfortunately, knowing that some people would disagree with me. I >> just find it intensely sad that people's native language and culture >> is not seen as an asset by the dominant culture. >> >> So, this is a good reminder that family stories may provide us all >> with starting points that need to be verified--which is also part of >> the fun. >> >> Yvonne >> >> On Oct 9, 9:29 am, netadosaco...@aol.com wrote: >>> Katherine, >>> >>> My family name is Anselmo. >>> >>> I was raised "Spanish". Got into an arguement with another college student >>> who said I wouldn't admit that I was Mexican and really should join the >>> Mexican Club at school. I insisted my grandparents were from Spain, and he >>> insisted that I was lieing. So my girlfriend and I started the "Spiniada >>> Group", remember we were in college and that was the cheap wine. >>> >>> When I finally met my father's family, one of the cousins said something to >>> the effect of being Portuguese. We all challenged are father's with what's >>> going on. My Uncle Joe said "Julius what the hell have you told your >>> girls". My Father's answer....when you are with the Italians you are >>> Italian...when you are with the Spanish you are Spanish....and when you are >>> with family you are Portuguese.....everyone laughed except me, it was NOT >>> funny nor was I the least bit amuzed! >>> >>> It was then that I stopped trusting anyone and started doing my own family >>> research on both sides. >>> >>> I found out that we had a Great Aunt Mary in a rest home. I went often to >>> visit her and gathered information about their journey from Soa Miguel to >>> the Hawaiian Islands to California. I met Patsy through a message board >>> that she left on Ancestry a few years ago. If I hadn't talked with Grt. >>> Aunt Mary I'm not sure that I would have recognized Patsy's message as >>> being part of my family. >>> >>> Today we are both working together to piece our family heritage. When >>> some of you were posting that Ancestry.com family information is getting >>> jumbled with anyone who can turn a leaf, Patsy found someone who has taken >>> our Great Aunt Mary and put her with another who died in Santa Clara. It >>> is only because I visited with our Grt Aunt that we know this information >>> is wrong and that they are not part of our family. So like Cheri >>> says....document where or how you find the source and be brave to make >>> contact with anyone who is still living. >>> >>> Ally >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions >> when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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